THE DRUMBEATS ARE GETTING LOUDER

PART TWO

by Holly Horning

Let’s continue the conversation we started on Tuesday about the multiple media reports that have been critical of the Tigers’ rebuild and their GM.  If you haven’t read the blog or are a glutton for punishment and want to review it again, here is the link:

https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/the-drumbeats-are-getting-louder/

First of all, my apologies go out to those of you who needed a therapy session or some quality time with an emotional support animal after reading Tuesday’s blog.  For the record, I had to have a cocktail after writing it.

But you know what?  It’s actually a good thing that this is all coming out.

The elephant in the room is no longer being ignored.  People are no longer staying silent.  Much of the national media is now echoing what many of us have been saying for years.

That this rebuild has been horrible and that the GM is not capable of achieving any sense of measurable success or moving this team forward.

Once something like this gets out into the open, it’s hard to put the genie back in the bottle.

And there’s nothing like repeated media analyses that all come to the same conclusion in order to inspire change.

I seriously don’t see how things can possibly continue as they have been.  The spotlight is now shining brightly on the Tigers’ problems and the calls for action will only increase, not go away.

Ironically, since Tuesday’s blog, yet another national piece came out yesterday (in The Athletic) that is highly critical of the Tigers’ rebuild. It compared the Tigers’ process to that of the Giants.

To quickly summarize the journalist’s points, both teams started their rebuild in 2017.  The Tigers went the tanking route.  The Giants did not.

San Francisco spent only 4 years rebuilding.  They won 107 games last year and are over .500 so far this season.

The Tigers are in year #6 (officially, but you could add another year or two) and nowhere close to being competitive.  They are described as having single-handedly killed the strategy that tanking is the way to success.

The tanking method is no guarantee of winning.  It is dependent upon whom is leading the rebuild. 
And in this case, the Tigers were led by Al Avila.  The Giants?  By Farhan Zaidi.

That’s a Grand Canyon size difference.

So what could happen to the Tigers going forward?

Let’s start with Manager A. J. Hinch.

We now know that he doesn’t have an opt-out which was verified through multiple sources by The Athletic writer, Cody Stavenhagen.  Hinch is believed to have a 5-year contract, not 3.

But what is interesting is his dodge of when his contract ends.  I think he’s avoiding releasing the details because it might shed some light on Al Avila’s super-duper secret contract of indeterminable length.
The common thought is that Hinch’s contract extends beyond Avila’s.  Potentially so that he might slide into the GM chair upon Avila’s departure.

For multiple reasons, it doesn’t appear likely that Hinch would want to leave despite his mysterious refusal to answer contract questions. Requesting to be released from his contract would be a disaster of the greatest magnitude for the Tigers.  It also would tamp down Hinch’s desirability with other teams if he wanted to throw his hands up after only 2 years.

Let’s remember that A. J. came to Detroit (despite interest expressed by 5 other teams) because of Scott Bream (his best friend) and that the Tigers appeared to be the quickest way for him to be promoted to GM.  It’s well-known that Hinch wants to be a GM.

Meanwhile, the Tigers have hired many new personnel with either ties to Hinch or to those with whom he is close.  He has started building his own Front Office.  And it’s a definite plus when you enter a job knowing and liking many of the people there.

We’ll come back to Hinch shortly but in the meantime, let’s talk about Chris Ilitch.

No matter what some fans say, Ilitch threw $243 mill to Al Avila to spend just on just free agents alone this year.  And for what?  Regression and another 100-loss season?

You can bet he’s not happy.  If you lost that much, would you keep your current GM simply out of loyalty?  Would you keep him and repeat the check-signing once again next year?
 
Knowing that multiple sources have questioned Al’s roster building and being quoted as saying that Avila is in over his head?

And if most GMs in baseball believe that Avila doesn’t have the acumen or savvy to do his job, you better believe that they are going to continue to prey upon him when it comes to trades.  Wanna bet that his number is on every GM’s speed dial when they need something?

Ilitch is a businessman first, baseball owner second, and I believe that he’s not stupid enough to do the same thing again next year.  I believe that he will take steps in order to ensure that his future checks are well-spent.  What those steps are is still uncertain.

But now it gets tricky.

If he removes Avila after this season, who will take over?  It seems unlikely that Hinch would be promoted after only 2 years as manager.  And with losing records to boot.  Wouldn’t he want to see more promise before promoting?

But if Ilitch hires a new GM, it won’t be good news for Hinch.  Most GMs have, on average, 5 year contracts.  Hiring someone else to take Avila’s place may be the move that tells Hinch to look elsewhere for his next job.

A further complication with keeping Hinch as the manager may result in the Tigers losing George Lombard.  There are a number of teams who are interested in bringing him in as manager.  Some as soon as next year.  Keeping everyone in the same job could end up creating a brain drain.

Now, let’s turn to Al Avila.

To reiterate, multiple reports indicate that few believe he is cut out to be the GM.  No one supports any of the moves he’s made since 2015.  And now we have a national writer who states that Avila personally killed the “tanking wins” process.

Al himself indicated before this season that “the rebuild is over.”  It’s the reason why the Tigers didn’t trade Fulmer, Soto or Cisnero last season and why they extended Schoop.  Avila believed the Tigers would be contenders this year and would need them.

To use a baseball term, this man’s thinking is so off-base.  How can someone in charge possibly believe they would be shooting for a playoff spot this year and instead are fighting to avoid a 100-loss season?

So what will Ilitch do with his current GM?

We’ve already discussed above the odds of Hinch being promoted only after 2 years.  As well, the unlikelihood of allowing his GM to continue making stupid investments that won’t work out and waste payroll dollars.

Could Chris take away some of his duties like roster building?  Could he put others in charge of it?  Or could he ensure that multiple people are involved in the final decision-making process?

Currently, Avila is the Executive VP of Baseball Operations and GM.  Could Chris “promote” him to President of Baseball Operations and thus remove him from a job in which he builds the roster?

The President of Baseball Operations is a loose term that is interpreted differently by every team.  But in general, this position is more of a big picture one while the GM job is more day-to-day.

There are some teams who have multiple GMs and they divide up the responsibilities based upon each person’s strengths.

Could the Tigers do that, effectively taking away the roster responsibilities from Al?

Could Ilitch give Hinch expanded duties where he still manages yet has a vote on who gets signed?

This really is the sticking point.  A GM who has to go but his replacement not quite yet ready to take over.
Will Ilitch be willing to waste another year and millions more on payroll by keeping Avila for 1 more year? 

To extend that rebuild yet another year? 

To watch the young top players continue to age and get a year closer to free agency while also watching that window of contention get smaller?

And to watch that fan base continue to shrink because more and more fans are being turned off by the many years of losing and unwatchable teams?  Knowing that stats show organizations start to bleed fans after 5 years and that many of them end up never coming back?

Will Chris continue along the same path as this year realizing that MLB – and now fans – know that his GM has an industry-wide reputation as not being capable in his job?

Is he willing to listen to the increasing criticism and abuse on a grander scale in 2023?

Is he willing to take on the role of “the bad guy” that Avila currently absorbs for his boss?

Ilitch is in a tough spot due to timing.  Who knows what he will do?

But the one thing he cannot do is to stand pat.  There’s way too much to lose.

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29 thoughts on “THE DRUMBEATS ARE GETTING LOUDER

  1. You make a great case for Chris pulling the trigger at the end of this season, Holly. Avila to President of Baseball Operations, Hinch to GM, and Lombard to Manager make too much sense to wait any longer. Those moves would restore fan faith in the organization – especially if Chris lets AJ spend on free agents with the likelihood of a much better return than what happened this year.

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  2. This is very interesting but it is based on many assumptions and some speculation. I think the most likely is that Al will be kicked upstairs. I would also add that the new general managers of the Pistons and Lions are getting credit for being very clever strategic which also might grind junior Illitch a tad.

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  3. The Tigers are in a bad spot. Ilitch has to make a change at GM, lest he continues his reputation as a inept and uncaring owner. He has hired and created this mess with having a incompetent Avila around every year for almost a decade. He has no room for inaction now. Holly,great article and some eye opening facts. Thanks!

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  4. What doesn’t make sense to me is if Scott Bream is so smart, why would he willingly work so long under Avila rather than look for a position with a well run winner? And why would he do his buddy A.J. dirty by convincing him to come here? And why would Garko leave the Dodgers for the S.S. Minnow of MLB when it’s appearant that Gilligan is in charge?

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    • Great questions, Spartan. Maybe they’re infiltrating a bad system with the hopes of taking it over. Then again, it could be our weather. 😉

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    • Excellent point Spartan and Hughie! I can’t understand why everyone unilaterally bashes Avila, yet either praises Hinch, Fetter, Bream, Garko, etc or gives them a free pass.

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      • We all know Avila’s track record as GM. Bream and Hinch have at least cracked the Leyland/Pirate cabal to bring Fetter (fantastic) and Garko (to early to tell) on board. If the Teflon guys get promoted and fail we’ll undoubtedly rip them all a new one.

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  5. Interesting times. Thanks for the info holly. Last six years have been a spinning the wheels waste of time. Change a few players names and we’re pretty much where we were then.

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  6. As an otherwise successful businessman Chris Ilitch strikes me as more of a long-term planner rather than a guy who reacts or makes decisions based on emotion (good or bad). Since AJ IS signed to a 5 year deal thru the ’25 season and Chris seems satisfied with the overall direction of the organization (with the exception of the Tigers W/L record of course) I don’t see him making any drastic changes either this season or the next.

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  7. Enforce the Peter Principle, and promote Avilla to get him out of the way of real progress. At the same time, start looking for a new manager to take AJ’s place in order to make him GM. He is smart enough, and knows baseball well enough to take over right now. This is highly unlikely since Ilitch is careless about the Tigers’ success…as long as he continues to make profit of some kind.

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    • They have 3 assistant GMs. Promote one of them, and leave the extra AGM vacant for when AJ is ready to start his move up in a year or three. I just don’t see how either Menzin or Sartori could do any worse than Al, and probably much better.

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  8. Chris Illitch loves the Red Wings more than the Tigers. He brought in Stevie Y to be the EVP of the Dead Wings in 2019. Where has that gotten him thus far? Can that mean anything when considering what he will do with da Putty Cats? It looks to me like he is happy as long as he is making a profit.

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    • Could be he’s just not that interested. Like a wealthy guy with twelve cars in his garage, not every one gets his full attention. With so much going on in his life and so much money it’s just another toy.

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      • You could say that about any owner in all pro sports. All are filthy rich and most have a conglomerate of businesses they operate outside of the sports world.

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    • I would note that the Yzerman hire was a no-brainer that was assisted by Stevie’s strong attachment to the franchise and area. Illitch is slow to make move and this could be shrewdness, uncertainty, or apathy.

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    • For as great a run as 2006-2013 was, the 30 year Ilitch ownership of the Tigers has been largely a huge disappointment. They have had two long stretches of putrid results with incompetent GM’s. I know Dave Dombrowski had his faults, but the only years where they looked like a competent franchise were when he was here.

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    • JL and AA are like the grape and the raisin. They could have made some fine wine, but instead will just wither and die on the vine and become a raisin..

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  9. It’s just refreshing to see the national writers finally do a deep dive on what a disaster this organization is. Is there a current GM in professional sports, let alone MLB, with a worse track record than Avila? I am curious how much AJ influenced this off season.

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    • As someone pointed out this week, at some point you can no longer blame the Tigers’ misfortunes exclusively on bad luck; a strong measure of the GM’s ineptness figures in, IMO. I don’t know if the Tigers want to keep Avila or not, but I surely wouldn’t promote him. (The Peter Principal epitomized!)

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  10. Avila should do the right thing and step down, it has to be humiliating with all these reports. MLB Network host was suggesting that the Astros should trade with the Tigers for Soto and Chafin. I am sure the Astros would being they won the Verlander trade.

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  11. As long as fans financially support this team, or even watch enough games on Bally, Chris Illitch doesn’t have a problem. I haven’t watched a game in 2 weeks. Anger and disgust are turning into apathy for me.

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