TWICE AS NICE

By:  Holly Horning & Kurt Snyder

The Tigers welcomed back a familiar face to the starting rotation this week. Jordan Zimmermann suddenly is back and just his experience alone should help as the Tigers have had a difficult time putting together a 5-man rotation.

So now that he’s back, our writers will weigh in on what they expect to see from him going forward.

Holly and Kurt will give their answers to the following question regarding JZ’s return, never sharing before publication, in order to offer a better shot at a wider range of perspective.

Let’s dig in.


After Jordan Zimmermann’s return to the mound on Wednesday, is there hope in his recovery as a starting pitcher? What is his future with Detroit?


HOLLY

The future viability of JZ was probably determined by his first year in Detroit. As a member of the Nationals, he routinely pitched a full season every year since his Tommy John surgery with winning records and ERAs in the 2’s and 3’s.

He appeared to continue this pattern when he first arrived in Detroit, starting off the year 8-2 with a 2.58 ERA and serious Cy Young buzz, until he got hurt. And thus, the odyssey began with multiple reports that it was his back… no, his neck… no, his arm… and/or various other confusing statements by the club pertaining to other body parts that were the reasons for his sudden demise. No one within the Tigers’ organization could diagnose him with certainty which is why he spoke out publicly about his frustration and ended up seeking outside medical expertise back in Washington.

Since the middle of 2016, Zimmermann hasn’t been able to pitch a full season and has racked up losing records with ERAs of 4’s and 6’s. So far this season, he’s yet to win a game and his ERA sits over 6.0 – a pattern that has not changed since the middle of his first year in Detroit, which shows us little hope that things will change given that it’s now been 4 years of trying to get him healthy.

But JZ will stick because of 2 things – his salary and the lack of starting pitching on the team. He is the second most expensive player on the team after Miggy and is earning $25 million this year as well as next. The Tigers would not have insurance on him because of his previous injury history and it is highly unlikely that Chris Ilitch would simply cut him loose so he will remain an untradeable Tiger until his contract expires and retirement beckons.


KURT

Jordan Zimmermann represents the worst free agent signing by the Tigers in a very long time. After one half of a season , fans thought it was validation of a solid signing for the starting staff.  But JZ has endured injuries which more than likely have stunted his ability to pitch effectively for long stretches.

Any positive signs we see end up being false hope as inevitably, more injuries pop up or he struggles with command. Meanwhile, we continue to see his velocity go down making command all the more important.   He may still hold a place in the rotation by default, but he’s done as a Tiger more than a year before his contract expires.

His future will only consist of another season of disappointment as he can no longer win battles on the mound. How can we expect him to take the game to hitters when he has lost all of what made him such a good pitcher?

He came to Detroit notably in decline as a pitcher, but was considered a safe pick in free agency. There was a whole lot of hope in that statement. Now we can only hope he can salvage some semblance of success in his remaining 1 ½ years with the Tigers.


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14 thoughts on “TWICE AS NICE

  1. I don’t think it was a bad signing. He was very good previously coming to Detroit &the beginning of the season & then the injuries took over. I’m hoping he can continue with good health. No use speculating. No one believed he would have these health issues when he was signed.

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    • Kathy, he had success until the second time teams saw him pitch. I agree with what Jon says about his history and the NL. He fell off his last year in DC.
      Enough that the Nat’s never made an offer. Al signed him in what I thought was a hurry. A trend he repeated with some of last winter’s deals. My biggest gripe with Zimm is his constant excuses. Poor performances are never his fault.

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      • Avila continues to sign players in a hurry. He jumped at signing Mercer and Ross as if he expected a bidding war. Does anyone really think that another team wanted to sign these guys for anywhere near what the Tigers are paying them, healthy or otherwise?

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    • For the record, the Nationals offered Zimm a contract extension before his last season in DC (and continued to push for it throughout the year) but he opted for free agency instead. The offer was almost identical to the Tigers’ – for just $5 million less. – Holly

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  2. Watch him struggle to the finish with the tigers. Than sign a minor league contract with a new team. Make the roster and have a decent season better than he had with the tigers. I hope if they sign another pitcher to 100 million dollars again they do better homework! His stats were in obvious decline and in a league without the DH.

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  3. It was a huge stretch when Avila gave him that massive contract, especially considering his numbers were noticeably declining. Ever since that great start in Detroit, it’s been a disaster. Right now, he’s on track to be the worst 9-digit starting pitching contract of all time. When you have $55M tied up in two guys who aren’t producing, you are toast. The “rebuild” timeline is largely predicated on the Tigers getting those two albatross contracts off the books.

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  4. His addition was a huge mistake that is costing a lot of money, but his presence is a detriment to the team. We should bite the bullet and make room on the roster for someone who at least has some potential.

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    • We may be able to point to Zimm’s first injury after the signing that brought about the so-called rebuild era. I wonder what the Tiger’s would have done if Zimmerman stayed healthy.

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  5. Zimmerman went to D.C.for a proper diagnosis. Mercer went to Dallas for conditioning advice. Justin Verlander has said the Tigers almost cost him his career back in 2014. Will someone find out what’s wrong with Detroit’s training/ conditioning/ rehab program? Remember when Detroit’s rotation was Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Fister, Sanchez?

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  6. There are so many problems with the Organization that need a complete overhaul (i.e. impact of Leyland; the ridiculously long tenure of front office staff & scouts; Legendary Lloyd, etc). The stumbling, bumbling malpractice disaster that is is the Athletic Training/Conditioning staff, however, might be the first thing I’d correct simply b/c it might have the most immediate impact on maximizing what talent remains on the roster and could help protect the young prospects before they too fall apart.

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