PROMISE, PRAISE AND PRAYER

by Holly Horning

We’re going to combine a couple topics routinely covered here at Totally Tigers because they really are all connected to each other.  It’s because all 3 can help explain the success or lack thereof when it comes to some Tigers’ performance.

On Tuesday, we covered the history of Detroit’s first round draft picks and how that honor was no guarantee of success.  In fact, potentially not offering those players any advantage at all in their development.

We’re also going to return to the topic of the new player development system that started to be implemented back in 2022 and more fully last year.

Lastly, we’ll add what to expect from the young players when they get promoted and the timeline needed as they adjust to the major league level.

For purposes of this discussion, our conversation is going to center around 3 players – Riley Greene, Wenceel Perez and Spencer Torkelson.  Three players with 3 very different development and progression experiences.

Greene, Perez and Torkelson all started off their careers in the old farm system.  One has had the advantage of reaping the benefits of the new program over the past 2 years.

That person would be Perez, who languished in the minors for 5 years until he took off in 2023.

Without a doubt, we now have enough proof that the new player development system developed by Ryan Garko and polished by Scott Harris is doing its magic.  Too many players who suddenly got better.  Too many players who are singing the praises of everyone who worked with them on their skills. 

That never happened under the old system.

Perez was in the Tigers’ system for 6 years before being called up to Detroit.  His stats until last year were unremarkable but then, under the new system, he jumped 3 levels in 1 year.

And now we’re seeing him in Detroit.  It’s been a very nice debut.  So much so that he remained in Detroit after being called up to replace a player going on the IL instead of being sent back down.  And he’s only 24.

In less than 2 weeks, he hit 3 HRs and driven in 8 RBI, while hitting both LH and RH pitching.  In fact, it is rumored that Zach McKinstry’s job is in jeopardy because Perez is that good.

He made some very nice catches in the OF, where the new Front Office moved him.  Al Avila and his crew had him playing the IF for 5 years despite not having the arm required for that part of the field.

The signs are all there for Wenceel to succeed now that Harris, Garko et al have figured out how to maximize his skills.  But this doesn’t mean that he won’t struggle at some point down the road.

We have to remember that young players, esp. rookies, are very green.  Their development will come in spurts and it certainly won’t be linear.  Wenceel is a work in progress this year and most probably will be next year as well.

It’s the third year that is really telling about the talent level of a player.

Speaking of green, let’s now turn our attention to Riley Greene.

For purposes of discussion, we’re going to ignore the one-third of both 2022 and 2023 that he missed due to injury.  Injury will always be the biggest concern when it comes to Greene given his history.

In 2022, he put up solid, not exciting numbers, for his first year.  His slash line was second best (out of the regular players) behind Eric Haase.

In 2023, Riley had slightly better stats.  Hitting consistently but not so much for power.  He again came in 2nd for his slash line which trailed Kerry Carpenter’s.

In the minors, the former regime had him pegged as a CF, where he was a negative defender in Detroit for both years.  He only had the benefit of the new player development system for a couple months before being promoted to Detroit.  It was only after his first 2 years in CF (and on the IL) that the numbers told the Tigers his talents were better suited to a corner slot. 

We do know that once he reached Detroit, the Tigers continued to work with him on improving a variety of his skills.

But now in 2024, Greene has broken away and his trajectory shows promise of solid continued production going forward. 

The Tigers moved him to LF where he is now a plus-defender. He is currently the Tigers’ top fielder with a +7 DRS.

But it’s his hitting that everyone is noticing.  His HR total so far has now exceeded what he did in the entire 2022 year.  His RBI total for 1 month is now half of what he did in the entire 2023 year.

You just have to look at the 2 HRs in 1 game on Tuesday, followed by another 1 on Wednesday.  His slash line is better and he’s 1 of the 3 top hitters on the roster currently, joining Carpenter and Canha.

Greene recently just moved into MLB’s top 100 players, sitting at #81.  It’s within possibility that he’ll continue to move up that list this year, if he hasn’t already given his performance this week.

But a recent analysis points to Greene taking the jump that the best ballplayers make.  They named him to the top 10 best and most improved hitters this season.

They compared his barrel rates which predict future power better than any other stats.  He has added one of the highest number of barrels to his hitting.

It was also noted that Riley:

– reduced his whiff, strikeout and chase rates by one of the largest margins in MLB

– reduced his ground ball rate

– increased his walk and fly ball rates substantially

– is hitting every type of pitch and making contact on both sides of the strike zone

– significantly improved his defensive range

Those analysts point to natural improvement combined with a player “coming into his own.”  They are calling it his “break out year.”

And now, there is more than 1 analyst saying he is looking like an All-Star.

Greene’s significant improvement supports the fact that players generally don’t come into their own until approximately the 3rd year.

Now let’s turn to Spencer Torkelson who was drafted a year after Greene yet got promoted to Detroit before Riley.

He never had the benefit of working with the new player development department.  In fact, even though his amateur career was as a 1Ber, the former Front Office tried to turn him into a 3Ber.  He lost a number of months working on his fielding before they decided to return him to his original position.

And we all know he was promoted to Detroit for reasons that primarily weren’t based upon his skill levels.  As he advanced through the minors, his offensive stats kept going down. Not a reason to show that a player is ready to hit MLB pitching. 

Spencer may just be one of those players I mentioned who could end up falling through the cracks.  Getting all of his minor league development via the old inferior system combined with poor Front Office decisions about how to design his career.

We cut him some slack for the bad decisions made by others but now it’s his 3rd year at the MLB level.  We should be seeing something more positive by now.

Tork has more experience in MLB than Greene, yet you’d be hard-pressed to say he’s improved as a player.

In fact, many of the stats associated with both his hitting and fielding say he’s regressed so far this year.

Despite months of working with Joey Cora and Alan Trammell (and participating in month-long coaching sessions over the winter), his defense has not come around.  Especially disconcerting for what is baseball’s easiest position to play. 

In 2023, he ranked last in MLB for 1Bers with -11 DRS.  So far after 1 month, he’s still last with a -5 DRS and technically on a pace to pass last year’s stat.  In the month of April, he was benched twice for committing errors that cost the Tigers at least 1 game.

Analysts describe his overall play as “puzzling” and don’t believe there is an easy fix given all the attention coaches have given him.  No one can figure out what is going on and they refer to his play as being a “mystery”.

He put up some great HR and RBI numbers last year but has yet to hit a single HR this season and remains the only regular player on the roster not to have one.  What is interesting is that he has become a doubles, not HR, hitter this year.

He has also been struggling to stay above .200 in BA.  Last year, he had significant issues with hitting until August when he finally took off.  And we’re seeing that pattern again so far this season.

Was his best year of 2023 an outlier?  Did developing under the old and ineffective player development system set him back significantly?  Is the pressure to improve, esp. in defense, weighing negatively upon his play?

Unlike Greene, we’re not seeing Tork have a break out year.  Far from it.  And that’s concerning given that it’s his third year at the MLB level.

How patient will the Tigers be?  What will happen if it takes Spencer most of the season to really start producing?

How will his pattern impact the dire need for the Tigers to add offense in this roster?

Tork’s story certainly isn’t yet written.  But there is a rough draft and it still needs a lot of editing.

In the meantime, during this season, let us enjoy the promise of 1 player, praise the advancement of another and pray for another’s breakout year.


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18 thoughts on “PROMISE, PRAISE AND PRAYER

  1. Good analysis and read IDK what to do bout Tork, but it’s time to have a plan B for 1st.I say ride Perez til you can’t and next one up. Keith is concerning, just hope they don’t force it and send him  down if no improvement just so he can get his footing.

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  2. Greene’s ability to get on base early has allowed the Tigs to get a lead thereby taking stress off their starters. If you watch Wencel’s approach and his AB’s you can see his focus and confidence in doing damage. I wouldn’t be totally shocked to see Tork sent down rather than Parker when Urshela comes back and let Canha, Ibanez and Urshela man 1b.

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  3. Greene is becoming what we hoped he would, an all-star. Tork was screwed up from the start, trying to get him to play third and even drafting the 3rd baseman who took his spot from him in college. Wenceel is the nice story of the week not named Baddoo, Maton or one of the Castro brothers.

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    • Rob, I think Wenceel Perez is more than a nice story. He’s been in the room since he was 16 but 23 in Toledo was when you saw a different confidence as he transitioned from infield to outfield. He’s fearless and as a bonified switch hitter he can be a presence in the lineup.

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  4. Houston Astros first baseman José Abreu was optioned to the team’s Low A team in West Palm Beach, Fla. where they are going to start him on a program where he gets “ramped up” slowly like at the beginning of Spring Training with no time table for return. I wonder if a couple of months in Lakeland, not Toledo would do Torkelson any good. He looks like a candidate to start all over with.

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  5. Tork was brought in under the old system, but that reason is a balloon slowly losing air. Some players are mentally and/or physically unable to change or accept coaching. The Tigers saw the potential problems with Tork during the off season which is why Hiura was signed and Mr. Canha will see more and more time at 1B.

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    • I have considered the possibility of the Tigers trading Torkelson because of his lack of performance. Holly’s analysis has me wondering, though, if trading him wouldn’t be an act of mercy toward him. Perhaps his time with the Tigers’ system has not been memorable for him (as well as for the fans), and perhaps he would welcome a change.

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    • Good points, Jim. Tork’s situation is somewhat similar to Nick Castellanos, who the Tigers tried at several positions other than the one he played in college (surprisingly SS, I believe). Biggest differences between the two are that Nick continues to hit and he was a hungry player… that also wanted to be a team leader.

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  6. Wenceel has been a real positive for the team and is truly enjoying his moment. You can see it in his smile. And while I love Greene at the plate he makes me cringe every time he makes another diving catch.

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    • Me too McWatt but he seems more under control in the dives ala Parker. He no longer seems to try to be a human cannonball. I think Riley studies Parker and how he plays into a dive as a last resort ala Austin Jackson.

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  7. Wenceel Perez was not lights out in the minors—his OPS in his whole career in the minors was .740. But he has been able to perform in the majors, and it makes me wonder about players like Navigato, Madris, Malloy, Hiura, and others. Do you need to be tearing up AAA before coming to the major leagues?

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    • Very true, there’s a long list of players who excelled when they hit the bright lights. Then there are great players who struggled mightily under the lights. Cases in point are Judge, Trout and Alex Rodriguez.

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    • Even Aaron Judge wasn’t ripping it up at the AAA level before making it big with the Yankees. In 2015 and 2016 he averaged one HR every 21 AB and had a .252 BA in AAA. Then in 2016 and 2017 with the Yankees he averaged one HR every 11 AB and with a .270 BA.

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  8. There is such a thing as an athlete thinking too much. Is it possible that Tork is falling victim to that when he is at the plate? Maybe he just needs to be a see the ball hit the ball guy

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  9. my favorite example of marginal labeled career minor leaguer who became solid big leaguer when big club was forced out of desperation to play him was good ol’ tiger catcher johnny B.wockenfuss.

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  10. I think particularly as fans — and even as members of the media — we ascribe emotional responses based on body language, gestures and words. To be honest, unless we’re with someone every day, we have no idea what their true personalities might be. The Tigers have had some great players — Gehringer, Greenberg, Kaline, Trammell — who played the game without needing fist pumps or backflips. Greene may be that kind of guy.

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