TICK, TOCK, TICK, TOCK….

by Holly Horning

Only 10 days into the 2023 season and now it’s already time to re-think how this year should play out.  How it needs to play out.

When the Tigers hired Scott Harris, we knew it would start with brooming departments and a slash-and-burn approach to the rotten roster.

And sure enough, 16+ players were released and at least that many were added.  This year’s roster has half its members having not played for the Tigers in 2022.

There was a concern that the team had not signed anyone of real significance. A difference maker.  Not necessarily someone with star status but a solid piece.

The rationale for not doing that was sound.  This team was such a mess and so far away from competing that it didn’t make sense to add those pieces now when the roster and its needs would continue to change dramatically.  And what wasn’t being said out loud was that Al Avila and his crew left this team in such a bad state that it would take much of a year or more to dig out from it.  The Tigers were never going to admit publicly that they had returned to rebuilding status.

Besides, a new regime usually takes that first year to do a reassessment.  So much of what the previous regime did and decided was faulty.  Harris and Co. couldn’t possibly go on the info his predecessor developed.  It would be building on top of bad.

We knew this was going to be a challenging year.  We were hoping that it would be a promising one as well.  Signs that some progress of moving forward was being made.

Development of prospects.  Better hitting habits.  A rebuilding of the starting rotation after injuries decimated it last year.  Better overall play.  Games that would be interesting to watch.

We knew these changes wouldn’t be seen right out of the gate.  That it would take half a season if we were lucky to see some tangible improvement.

We saw this year as the righting of the ship.

Only so far, it isn’t.  This ship is still taking on large amounts of water.

It can be fairly argued that this roster is the same or even worse than the 2022 one.  Some of the better pitchers – the only source of trade capital – traded for other pieces to fill in holes and not yet replaced.  Other players a year older.  The new shift rules negatively impacting defense.

Ten games in and the Tigers have only won 2 of them.  Never mind that they’ve been facing good teams.  It’s the perception that matters. 

They are last in the AL Central and already out by 4.5 games.  Their win percentage is .200.  Only the Oakland A’s are worse and that’s because they’ve played 1 more game.

If this team doesn’t change its trajectory soon – and I mean soon – this season will be over for all intents and purposes by the end of April.

All new leadership is expected to get a year’s free pass.  One year to create a new order and point their organization into a better direction.  Scott Harris was supposed to get a year to reassess.

He doesn’t have that time any more.

And that’s because this team has become unwatchable.  So bad at every facet of its roster.  Offense, starting pitching and the bullpen.

There’s no newness for fans from which to feed.  Spencer Torkelson and Riley Greene made their debuts last year.  The shiny and new is no longer there.

This is also Javy Baez’s second year and most fans have seen enough.  The same with Jonathan Schoop’s contract extension.

Al Avila may be gone but his bad contracts live on.  We were relieved with the expiration of Jordan Zimmerman’s contract but now we have to live through yet another one.

Scott Harris has to find a work around.  It will be easy with Schoop, not so much with 5 more years of Baez and $120 mill in salary.  It’s why A. J. Hinch went down to Puerto Rico over the winter to spend some time trying to figure out how to motivate Javy Baez into wanting to be a better hitter.

We’ve started to see a few minor changes.  Schoop being platooned.  Tyler Nevin just called up.

But there needs to be more.

Half the hitters on this roster have batting averages under .200.  The middle of the batting order has been moved down.  And one of the few solid hitters is on the IL again for anxiety issues.

The bullpen is allowing half the runs they inherit to score.

I could go on but you get the point.

Normally, one wouldn’t be too concerned just 10 days into a season.  And many of us were willing to give the Tigers a year pass if we could be assured that this team was improving and moving in the right direction.

The problem now is that there has been nothing redeeming so far to watch. 

The good will has run out.

And that’s what the Tigers need to really understand.

Studies show that a team starts to lose fans long-term after 5 years of non-competitiveness or tanking.  The Tigers are going on year #8.

And fans don’t see anything right now that shows there is an end in sight.

In fact, just the opposite.

For those of you who read the social media threads, you see it.  Fans are angry.  They’ve had enough.  It’s really ugly reading those comments.

We see it here in TT’s comments.

Fans have rightfully seen enough.  And they want no more of this continued torture.

And that’s what Chris Ilitch and Scott Harris must understand now.  They have to listen to the fans at this point because we’ve reached the point of no return for many.

Over the past decade, the Tigers’ attendance has dropped 41%.  It’s easy to believe that if nothing promising comes out of this year, that figure will go well beyond 50%.

The bleeding needs to be stemmed now.  Forget the plan of focusing solely on reassessment and gradual rebuilding.

Something needs to be done now.  This month before it’s too late.

Working on improving pitching and hitting is going to take time.  The Tigers need to be faster and bolder in their moves.

There needs to be a sense of urgency.

They need to make more and bigger roster changes.  Even if it’s just for the next year or two.

But this team needs a difference maker.  Preferably at least 2 of them to get this roster over the hump until reinforcements are ready.

And they need them now.

Let’s hope that Ilitch and Harris know that this clock doesn’t have much time left on it.

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73 thoughts on “TICK, TOCK, TICK, TOCK….

    • As Holly stated in the past Carpenter looks physically small. That is one thing that struck me also at a Spring game and as a matter of fact, I do not see a lot of size in most Tiger players. Watching other teams one does see size and strength.

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  1. I have been a diehard Tigerfan since the mid 60s. I am truly disgusted with this team to the point I am on the fringe of not caring any more. I have very little confidence in the leadership of Chris Ilitch and doesnt appear I will see another championship in my lifetime.

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  2. They are terrible and it isn’t going to change. They will be worse this year as they are now 2-10 after letting winning game disappear with bad pitching

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  3. Tic tock tic tock went the clock. I say went in past tense because that sound you hear is the alarm ringing ! Are you Listening , Chris? Holly how can they do anything this late in the management game.

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  4. Quite a change in tone, Holly. Other than getting swept at home by Boston, what was everyone expecting when you replace almost half of your 40 man roster with other team’s cast offs & you open with 3 of 4 series on the road against teams that made the playoffs last year? If Harris couldn’t make any impact moves in the off season I doubt he can do anything now.

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    • Good point Spartan. but when you said, “Harris couldn’t make any impact moves in the off season” I hope you are not letting him off the hook. It looks to me like he overestimated his ability to spin gold from the waiver wire. His controlling the zone mantra won’t deodorize the stench of Tiger April baseball.

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    • Holly, you write about the need for a sense of urgency and how “something needs to be done now”. How would this even be possible at this point in the season – trades, FA signings, early promotions of top prospects? Unfortunately, I do not see much opportunity for improvement this season beyond the original plan of player assessment and development.

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    • I think what we were rightfully expecting is some change in the approach of hitter and pitchers during even those games we lose, that would indicate that some progress is being made. Something interesting to tell us, OK, we still don’t have the talent, but the process is working, so it’s worth watching and seeing through. But through eleven games, we’re not seeing that.

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    • Hi, Spartan – No, not really a change in tone. I found the original strategy of moving forward logical and always stated that I would reserve judgment until I saw enough results. The problem now is that things appear so bad that management has to change its priorities before this season goes down the dumper and even more fans desert the sinking ship. – Holly

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    • “You’re going to have to earn a spot on the team this year”. One of the best hitters in spring training (Parker Meadows), didn’t make the team. Huh?

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      • Yes, but he’s still just getting the feel in Toledo, hitting about 250. All I’ll say about ST, the Royals led everybody and sit at 4-9. Training is the key word.

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  5. The die for this year was cast by not bringing in veteran position players to stabilize the everyday roster. The best hope is that young talent including Malloy, Madden, Flores, P. Meadows, Keith and others continue to develop in the minors and make it to the Tigers this year. If that happens, they will replace less talented players and join Greene, Torkelson, and a few other current Tigers to form the new, young core of a Tigers team worth watching and building around moving forward.

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    • Add your comment to Holly’s and there is nothing to add. Harris rolled the dice and it came up snake eyes for ’23. Consequently Chris Illitch continues his slide into the pantheon of truly hapless owners.

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  6. The lack of development under AA really shows as this team can not even compete with other teams. The young players are not ML ready and should still be in the minors to get development. Scott Harris had a long road to field just a competitive team, let alone a playoff team. There is no quick fix or anything else that can get this team to a competive level other than time, development, and experience.

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    • I know many on this board don’t want to hear it, but the fact the young players are not ready is yet another indictment on the Avila regime. Why is it that other successful organizations (like the Dodgers) can have a player at age 20 so ready for the big leagues he starts with a 10 game hitting streak? A player shouldn’t need 4-6 years to be ready with proper coaching, training, nutrition and technologies which was missing until 6 months ago.

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      • But we knew this in the off-season so why didn’t we get some major league talent to tide us over until the players can develop? If we rush them to the majors will we be hurting another group of players?

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  7. How many more years are we going to have to stomach not having a decent closer. Recent history featured Soto who would raise our anxiety with his walks for the millions he made. Now we have kids closing who just don’t have it.

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  8. Amen, I spent all offseason somewhat optimistic but this is an unmitigated nightmare and I already believe the 2023 baseball season in Detroit is over. Sad

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  9. Holly, this year reminds me very much of Dave D’s 1st year. He scraped the bottom of the barrel to replace the roster. and that team was beyond awful. I expected this year to be terrible, I expect to see improvement in 2024 not 2023. I give the new regime a free pass in 2023.

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    • Exactly! Scott Harris right now is where Dave Dombrowski was in April 2002 with that 0-6 start. Hopefully after the All-Star break in 2025 this team will finally turn the corner. We’ve got a long way to go yet.

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      • And what followed Dave Dombrowski’s April 2002 0-6 start? The Detroit Tigers’ historic 2003 season! I hope this rebuild will not lead to a similar result for next season.

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  10. The offense hasn’t been the issue in Toronto, but the bullpen has been dreadful. Hinch needs to pick a lineup and stick with it for a while. This obsession with match ups drives me crazy.

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    • It may not be the popular opinion, but you hit the nail on the head. Play the best players (although its not that easy to tell who they are) – Torkelson/Schoop/Baez/Maton/Haase in the infield and Carpenter/Greene/Vierling in the outfield regardless of who is pitching on the other team. I have said it over and over, nobody can get into a groove playing sporadically.

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  11. Should have kept last years bullpen in tack since it could allow them to win some games and signed couple mid level veterans. Instead traded for subpar players and now we have no bullpen or players. How would Baez perform with 2 legitimate hitters behind him? He would see better pictures.

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  12. We all hoped it would be a teeny bit better this year. It will be another horrendous year–however I have some hope that we will see some good here and there.

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    • I dislike seeing the Tigers in this position just like all true Tiger fans do, however, I firmly believe that the course of this team will change within the next couple of years. It appears CI now has the right people in place in terms of management, coaching, training facilities, and trainers and the Tigers are investing in the minor leagues. Throwing money at this team will not help but good coaching and teaching in the minors is key.

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      • Amen to that. This is a legitimate rebuild from the ground up. And fans will return when the team is restored to winning because, as we all know, “when you build it they will come”.

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      • Astute. All the CI haters need to see what he poured into a devoid farm system since Garko came aboard. We can whine about our MLB team, but real MLB-ready help will be on the way as our minors continue to gain credibility.

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  13. Disappointment is dependent on your expectations. Before last season Las Vegas predicted Detroit to win 66 games and this year they have it at 68-69. I’ll give Harris a pass for now, but years of inept leadership has created this mess.

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    • Scott does not get a pass based on his own words: “Our goal for this year is to play competitive baseball as deep into the season as we possibly can.” He has already failed at his own goal. Worse the team has been unwatchable more times than not.

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  14. You can’t fire all the players, so the next move seems pretty obvious. This team has serious regressed under AJ Hinch ( not Harris’ hire, nor is Garko). The only thing saving them at this point is Chris Ilitch’s aversion to paying people who aren’t working.

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  15. You could see it in Hinch’s eyes after last night’s implosion. He has no idea what to do next and would rather be somewhere, anywhere, else.

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  16. The bullpen mess is entirely on Scott and can’t be blamed on Avila’s ineptitude. I liked his trades of Joe and Gregory, and also foolishly thought Fetter could work his magic with what was left and what Harris plucked from the garbage heap. But I am not team president so Scott owns it.

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    • I agree with your comment. One question though, were you being facetious referring to Fetter “working his magic?” If not, can you give an example of a player that has benefited from Fetter’s coaching?

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  17. Last night’s loss was a classic case of snatching a loss from the jaws of victory. I keep wondering if the “analytics” information being fed to those who are in control is responsible for dictating lineups & pitching matchups and “gut” instinct has been forced aside…

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    • There has to be a happy medium between the analytics and the gut instinct / eye test. Maybe let a relief pitcher who retires the side in order on 12 pitches go longer than one inning. Maybe let a left handed batter face a left handed pitcher when he is hot.

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      • The only problem getting Alex back up for the ninth, he would be unavailable for tonight. And actually Wingenter last appearance was good and the main reason AJ used him. I had to look twice and up, lol, I thought Soto was being walked off again.

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  18. People are criticizing Harris for not picking up an impact player or two. Players are sentient human beings who have a say in where they sign, and no decent player would have chosen to come to Detroit and lose big, instead because of going anyplace else and winning, or at least losing less. The sad fact is that Al Avila’s Reign of Error destroyed this franchise, and it’s going to take probably half a decade to get it on its feet and start to contend.

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  19. Last year’s bullpen was much better and now it’s gone. Overall, the team looks worse than last year. We hang in there with experienced players like Baez and Schoop, who are high priced, but produce nothing in return. At this point, the hopelessness of last year is even worse this year. It all starts at the top, first with Mike Ilitch, and now Chris. With the terribly unacceptable leadership that these two have provided, how can anyone expect success?

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    • The attendance is even lower than the published figures. I was there this past Sunday and I think the crowd was announced at about 11,000 but there could not have been 3,000 people in the stands. This works out fine for me. I just ask for the cheapest seats they’ve got at the box office and sit anywhere I like in the upper deck.

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  20. Today’s topic sure has brought out a lot of commenters, however, I don’t understand why everyone appears to be bent out of shape today. More than once Holly has pointed out that the team will be torn down to the “bare studs.” Well, this right here is what “bare studs” is. Horrific, isn’t it ?

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      • Be patient, Ron, because we’re not down to the studs yet. Today’s Cabrera, along with Schoop and Baez aren’t “studs” upon which to build. Next year they’ll be gone and more options will open up.

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        • McWatt, I agree with you about Cabrera and Schoop, but I don’t think Baez is going anywhere anytime soon. Who on earth is going to give him more then the 120 Million he’s making with the Tigers to play Wiffle Ball😉

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    • Hi, Chuck, I think it’s the loss yesterday that has caused everyone to be bent out of shape today. If Wingenter had shut down the Blue Jays i n the 9th and they had won the game 3-1, we wouldn’t see many of these comments. But he didn’t and they didn’t.

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      • Not to mention that ridiculous obstruction call that went against the Tigers. Even the Jays broadcasters could not understand it. One of the worst calls I have seen in a very long time. Should have been 3-0 going into the 9th.

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  21. Despite the doom and gloom most of us knew this would be a lost year at the major league level. Cabrera’s contract, Schoop’s decline, and Baez’s stubbornness, are an anchor on team flexibility and the real growth is on the farm. I’d remind everyone that one or two big acquisitions next off season can turn fan enthusiasm and team results around quickly (think Pudge).

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  22. The fallback position is to always blame Avila for the Tigers problem. At the same time we are told half of the roster is new. If you watched last night loss you know it wasn’t the players failure.

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  23. I was so hopeful for this year and understood the process that Harris laid out. Sounded good, as there was no way he was going to make us contenders this year. But, it failed and he needs to do something now like sending people down that dont produce. I

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  24. Whenever I get frustrated about all this I go online and watch the last game of the 68 series or the other day MLB network had that special on The Bird. What a great story. We can’t give up on our Tigers.

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  25. While I am disappointed with the Tigers start and performance so far, the comments that are blaming Harris are also disappointing. He inherited a dumpster fire of a roster and an organization and to think he could fix everything in weeks/months without seeing the players play or how the organization worked is not realistic. New people, new processes, new techniques and technologies take time to become part of the culture.

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  26. This is why I was so surprised the Tigers didn’t make any moves this past winter. Harris may get a year to start showing improvement but the Tigers have worn out a lot of fans’ patience. It is hard to stay hopeful or interested when young players don’t develop and the roster is filled with other teams’ castoffs.

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