POSITIONAL PUZZLES

by Holly Horning

Is it the end of the year or an early 2023 Spring Training currently for the Tigers?

I argue for the latter.

Now that Al Avila is gone, the Tigers are trying to make up for lost time by moving ahead as they try to get a jump on figuring out next year’s roster.

We heard it from A. J. Hinch, after Michael Pineda was DFA’d, that the team needed to give as much time as possible to the young guys to determine their fit.

Normally, all teams (unless they are in the throes of making the playoffs) start to bring up their top prospects and sit their starters more.  But the Tigers have finally put a sense of urgency to all of this by focusing more on dress rehearsals, instead of winning games.

I’ve written over the past month or so about the team’s many positional holes.  This is what happens when you don’t draft well, focus almost exclusively on drafting pitchers and don’t develop your players properly.

As this team currently sits, there is only 1 guaranteed positional roster spot that is filled for next year.

CF.

All that after 7 years of rebuilding.

Sure, there are some players we know who will make the roster next year.  But will they be occupying the same spots as they did for 2022?

Maybe not.

And that’s what this last month is all about.  Management is putting together their own version of Rubik’s Cube.  Seeing how many positions they can fill better from essentially the same pool of candidates with a handful of rookies thrown in.

Why?  Because Chris Ilitch and the fans won’t allow this team to tear down once again and spend years trying to become competitive. 

Nor will the GM have millions to spend on multiple players.  He will have to be judicious about the team’s needs and set priorities.

He will also have to make do with as much as he can.

This team will have to straddle the fine line between rebuilding and moving forward.  What is likely to happen is a slight reset to this roster.

Given this, let’s turn to the 7 positional question marks remaining and look at the clues we’re currently seeing that will help determine who goes, who stays and who moves.

CATCHER

Tucker Barnhart will assuredly not return.  But will Jake Rogers?  He’s strong defensively but barely hits and his recovery from Tommy John surgery has been delayed.  He won’t be back this year and I doubt the Tigers will be comfortable waiting until spring training to see if he is ready.

So many have “Dillon Dingler” on their lips but he’s easily at least 1 year away.

Which brings us to Eric Haase – currently the team’s hardest working player.  Now that he’s getting regular playing time, he’s among the top 3 players in most important offensive categories.  And the Tigers desperately need his bat.  His defensive skills will keep him as the #2 catcher (-8 DRS) but he can also fill in at 1B and in a pinch, play the outfield, too.  He can also DH. More on that in a moment.

More likely than not, the Tigers will be hunting for a new #1 catcher on a short contract in the off-season.

FIRST BASE

You have to go back to 2019 to find a full-time 1Ber for the Tigers (if you don’t count the 2020 60-game season). The only team with that distinction and probably a major reason why Spencer Torkelson was rushed up to the majors after only 1 year in the minors.

Things are looking better for him since his return from Toledo.  He’s been working extensively with the new hitting coaches, including the Mud Hens’ Adam Melhuse, who made the trip to Detroit with him.  Currently, he’s been hitting .333 (through Sunday’s game) since his return and you can see some of the changes he’s made to his stance and approach to the plate.

He’s much more likely now to officially earn that first base position.  Pencil him in.

SECOND BASE

This is where it gets interesting.  Jonathan Schoop is having his worst year ever and is on the books for 2023 at $7.5 mill.  There are reports that the Tigers are interested in trading him.

Schoop is a plus defender but struggling mightily at the plate.  Removing him from the equation will also help solve another problem the team has.  We’ll get to that in a moment.

But in the meantime, he’s tradable because it’s just 1 more year and perfect for a team looking to add strength or depth up the middle. A team that doesn’t have a problem with their lack of offense.  The Tigers may, however, have to pay some of his salary.

So who will end up playing 2B?  I’m glad you asked….

SHORTSTOP

Javier Baez is also having one of his worst years, especially in the field.  He leads all of MLB in errors.  It wasn’t supposed to be that way.

His $140 mill contract takes him through 2027.  He has an opt out after next year but he won’t consider it unless he has an amazing year.  He also can only be traded to 10 teams on his approval list.

It’s highly unlikely that Detroit can trade him. 

So how will the Tigers handle Baez?  A new GM will not stand pat and wait for this contract to expire.  What he will do is to create a situation in which Javy’s contributions are maximized.

And that just may mean moving him to 2B, which will cut down on the errors.  Less likely, but still feasible, is transitioning him to 3B.  More on that in a minute.

Who will move into the SS slot is less clear.  There are a number of players but no one yet who appears to be a leading candidate.

And don’t think that the Tigers will go after Carlos Correa after this year.  He is likely to opt out from his new contract so he may pursue an even higher one.  He has also publicly stated that he will not go to a rebuilding team.

This position has the biggest question mark of all.

THIRD BASE

It is widely expected that Jeimer Candelario will be non-tendered after this year.  He’s had a poor season, despite this last-minute surge to improve.  He would be earning somewhere close to $8 mill after arbitration.

Which is why Ryan Kreidler is getting the majority of playing time at 3B right now.

Hittin’ Harold Castro currently has played the most games at 3B after Jeimer.  One of the team’s most dependable hitters but we’re still not getting the sense that the Tigers want to slot him into just 1 position.

Let’s continue to watch Kreidler who is currently getting positive reviews.  This could be his position to win.

LEFT FIELD

I don’t see just one player winning LF.  It’s very likely this will be a platoon situation.

Akil Baddoo appears to be the odd man out with Willi Castro and Eric Haase having an edge to playing there part-time.  Both can play multiple positions and Haase is a much better hitter.

However, Kerry Carpenter is getting more and more time in that corner.  He’s been working a lot with George Lombard and Ramon Santiago on his defensive skills and A. J. Hinch says he sees improvement.  Expect an extended audition for him, especially if his offense continues to improve.

And then there’s Austin Meadows. (For more, see RIGHT FIELD.)

Speaking of Carpenter….

DESIGNATED HITTER

I’m including the DH position even though it doesn’t qualify because it is a key to who makes the roster next year.

Carpenter came to the team known for his hitting but also being defensively challenged.  However, signs are that he is improving with the glove.

It is unlikely that the Tigers would play him in LF most of the time.  Platooning, if he makes the roster, makes sense.  That means they would be unlikely to sit him and his bat when he’s not playing the outfield.

He’s been described as a perfect DH candidate which is what will likely happen if the rest of this year goes well.

But it means that things will get complicated for the Tigers when it comes to Miguel Cabrera.  That will be a huge decision for the new GM to navigate.

The Tigers have perfect DH candidates in both Carpenter and Haase.  To add in Miggy, who can only DH, would be overkill and a waste of a roster spot.  He has been reduced to hitting singles (for the most part) due to injury and can only play 1 game in each series.

When this team has so many needs, is it logical to have 3 players who are ideal DH’s?  No.

Besides, most teams now no longer have a dedicated DH.  It has evolved into a rotational position so rosters can utilize that extra spot for a player who offers greater flexibility.

Logically, we know what should happen.  But Miggy is no ordinary ballplayer and that will certainly factor into the equation. Expect this decision to factor into the GM hiring process.

RIGHT FIELD

This is a slot that is even more puzzling than LF.  Its candidates?  Willi Castro, Austin Meadows and Victor Reyes.

No new rookies are playing there so far which tells us that the Tigers believe they have more than enough players to cover that area.  But will they go with 4 or 5 outfielders next year?  In part, it will depend upon whether Miggy is back and taking up a roster spot.

But currently, for the corner slots, there are 6 candidates.  At least 2 two of them would be part-time.

The hope is that Meadows will be fully healthy by next season but they won’t know anything until next spring.

With Riley Greene, there would be 7 outfielders for a total of 4-5 slots.  Of course, some of these athletes would play there occasionally but it’s still overkill.  Expect a couple of them to be cut or sent down to Toledo.

Like last year, the candidates are plentiful.  But the Tigers are hoping that they won’t have to rotate through their outfielders with such frequency as they did in 2022.

Obviously, the biggest holes are in the infield.  The outfield is flush with players but how many of them are truly deserving to stay? With the exception of Greene, most of them were marginal at best this year.

The new GM is going to have to make some hard decisions.  As much as many would like this roster turn over significantly, it’s not going to happen.  At least for the 2023 season.

New management is going to have to pick and choose their survivors carefully.  And maximize the talent as much as possible.

Some players will get new life.  Others won’t.  And sadly, a few of them will simply be holding down spots until 2024 rolls around.

Because you can’t make over an entire roster in just 3 months.

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33 thoughts on “POSITIONAL PUZZLES

  1. Great analysis, Holly. Kreidler, Carpenter, and Torkelson are showing they’ve got the talent and desire to win spots for next year and a shrewd GM can market Schoop and Candelario as guys who just need new scenery. Trade surplus arms for a few decent position players, open the checkbook for a couple free agents, and those roster holes can be filled.

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    • Folks were saying that about our Rule 5 player last year. Those guys are earning an opportunity to try out next year, but that is all. They aren’t proving anything to me in just a couple of months time.

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  2. Great summary, Holly! I agree with most of your analysis. Don’t know if Willi Castro is my left fielder. Put Carpenter there. With Baez at second, put Kreisler at short. Tork at first. Hitting Harold at third. Miggy is the big sticking point – his time is up.

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  3. Holly, this article is stereotypically the perfect type article that drew me to Totally Tigers! I love them, I agree on your analysis by position on the most part. What I do see is a very promising 2024 when our adjustment year of 2023 is completed.

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  4. This was a good breakdown and recognizes that all the players who should be replaced, but cannot be. I think observing how Hinch uses playing time we know Clemens will play left out and he is no enamored with using Hasse in a utility role. I would pencil in W. Castro, Reyes, Greene, and Meadows as your four outfielders with Carpenter being stuck out there from time to time and perhaps he and Hasse would often platoon at DH.

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  5. Holly, your idea that only so much can happen in 3 months Is very warranted. Yet I truly believe our new GM will excel in talent evaluation, will be able to find reasonable jewels to fill positions, and possess a shrewd ability to maximize trades. That being said us fans better be ready to say good bye to some of our top 30 prospects because you better be ready to give up top arms to get MLB ready positional fillers.

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  6. Great blog as usual. I would not tender contracts to Candy or Victor Reyes. Corner outfielders need to be power hitters and Reyes only has one home run. Badoo will have to work for a job in ST. Hope they can trade Schoop, I wouldn’t mind if they moved on from W. Castro.

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    • Really, Greene full-time plus Hasse and Harold back up are the only position players who seem above replacement value. The other young players are reached and the vets have everything to do with our 21 abysmal shutouts.

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  7. Holly, thank you for continuing to -every day- put forth great effort and thoughtfulness into your writing. I do think your analysis asks the right questions. I’m afraid next year is just going to come down to hoping for a better year out of the individual players.

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  8. CF Greene, SS Baez, RF Reyes, C Haase, 1B Torkleson and H Castro (somewhere) should all be starting. The Tigers have to see what they’ve got in Meadows, and then figure out the rest. If not, then they should release those guys so they can go start for other teams.

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  9. Give Miggy a chance at batting coach and pinch hitter next year if he’s anywhere near being healthy. Give Reyes a chance to be a starting right fielder, and hope that Meadows can be the leftfielder. Get rid of Biaz & Schoop, and look for a #1 catcher. Make Tork starting 1st baseman again and use Harold Castro as starting 2nd baseman. Slate Kreidler for SS and choose from what’s left to handle 3rd base. Call me if any questions.

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    • Tommy Sidelco……carrying Miggy on the active roster as a Pinch Hitter (at most 1 At Bat per game) is a waste of a roster spot in my opinion. Either he’s healthy enough to hit in the DH spot 2 out 3 games or he’s taking up a roster spot that could go to another hitter with more potential.

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  10. Holly always has something interesting to write about, great job. One thing I wonder about is FAs. If they non-tender Candy and trade Schoop, they’ve already dfad two pitchers, traded two other players and Barnhart most likely won’t be back, will they use that money to bring in some much needed talent? The fans have waited 7 years, I hope they feel the need to win.

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  11. Thanks Holly for detailed info. It is kind of like playing cards where each game one just reshuffles the same cards over and over again. 2024 will be another dreadful year for us fans.

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  12. The lack of power coming from this group, IF and OF both, is glaring. Something needs to be done about that, and that means going after a FA or two next season. Where they will slot into the 8 positions is anyone’s guess.

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    • I’m hopeful that a new hitting coach may help. With the youngsters working with the MudHens hitting coach, they seem to be generating some offense (last night’s game excepted).

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  13. The infield in 2023 should be Torkelson at 1B, Baez at 2B, Kreidler at SS, and a combination of John Valente and Brendon Davis at 3B. I know Valente and Davis are not hitting the lights out in Toledo. But neither was Kreidler. Valente is 27, and Davis is 25. Couldn’t hurt to bring them up.

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    • Underrated at Toledo is Andre Lipcius, who plays an excellent second and third base and hitting over .300, has good approach at plate. At Erie this year he walked more than he struck out, a rarity among Tigers. Has good at bats and same age as Kreidler.

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    • That infield will not scare anyone. Opponent pitchers will eat them up. Why do we have to settle for players that are non-MLB? At least bring in some veterans that know how to play the game. This is a major league team not minor league.

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  14. I agree with Holly’s conclusion about not being able to turn over the whole positional roster in 3 months, although it certainly deserves to be gutted for the most part. So I am extremely hopeful that the new GM will find some clever and creative fixes for this moribund and boring offense. However that will most likely mean some of the current unproductive players with limited offensive ceilings or who don’t fit in will get dumped and I say good riddance.

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    • Why not turn it over asap? Do you want to wait another 4-6 years? We as fans cannot settle for this terrible baseball. Be vocal and demand competitiveness now! Spend to get us out of this mess until youngsters are ready.

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      • I don’t want to wait either, tired of watching boring baseball from the Tigers roster and hearing that I have to wait for some time in the distant future for them to be any good again. That’s why I am hoping an innovative, aggressive young GM who can turn over as much of this positional roster as is humanly possible by any means necessary.

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  15. One key issue stands out and it is almost as big as the elephant in the room. If the Tigers are serious about moving forward next year, Miggy should see one more AB as a Tiger, most likely in the last game of the season. If Miggy is anywhere on the roster next year, we all know that there is no seriousness to the 10 year rebuild.

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  16. I completely understand all the comments about Miggy taking up a roster spot, but quite honestly I don’t think it really matters. Unfortunately, the Tigers are going no where next season so let him play out his final year, take his farewell bows, and be done. I guess it is quite possible that he will end up on the 60 or 90 day DL next year and we would still have an opening for someone from the minors to audition.

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  17. Wouldn’t be surprised if Barnhart is back next year……catcher is the least of their problems with the infield in tatters. No way can they bring back Candelario/Schoop both of which can be replaced internally with Kreidler, the Castro’s, Clemens, or even Andre Lipcius. As for the outfield you have Greene, Meadows, Carpenter, and Reyes…

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  18. Holly, if Miggy retires due to medical reasons (which appears justified), would he receive his full salary anyway and would the Tigers receive some relief via insurance?

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    • Hi, John – Great question and a tricky one. If Miggy was forced to retire due to medical issues, he would be paid in full. Unclear is whether he would also receive the $8 mill buyout. But there’s a catch: he would have to remain on the roster for his final year because technically it’s not a retirement. It’s because he could not get medical clearance.

      The other problem is that the Tigers probably no longer have him insured. Insurance has to be done every 3 years and it cannot cover areas of the body that have already been injured. The Tigers are also known for not insuring their players. In the Prince Fielder case, the Rangers didn’t have to pay a dime because of insurance. The Tigers hadn’t insured him and they ended up paying the full amount of what was left of his contract – $30 mill. – Holly

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      • Thanks Holly, not only for your reply but for having a great website where I receive more insight and information in one post than I do in a whole year of reading both of Detroit’s major dailies.

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