MONDAY MUSINGS

by Holly Horning

Throughout the week, there are so many smaller stories hitting the media.  They may be bite-size, but often they are just as important as the headline-grabbing news.  Sometimes, even more.

And that’s what brings me to today.  A way to discuss some of these stories. A way to bring them out in the open for discussion.

And that’s the plan for Mondays.  Keeping track of these mighty little bits that hit my radar throughout the week and sharing them with you today because I know one or more will also resonate with you. So, let’s kick off this week’s musings…


Is there another factor that could sway Chris Ilitch to get rid of his GM?  If what happened to the Rockies former GM is any indication, then yes.  A number of this GM’s players were known to be upset over his comments and promises to them. He was finally fired (or “resigned”).

It seems that Al Avila is following in his footsteps by also angering his players. 

This time, Tarik Skubal.

Several years ago, Avila broadcast how no teams wanted Nick Castellanos and how hard it was to trade him.  You simply don’t insult and embarrass someone with whom you work.  It was so unprofessional.

And it left a bad taste in Castellanos’ mouth.

So now, national reports are revealing that Skubal is none too happy with what’s happening to him.  And it has to do with the Tigers broadcasting to every other team that Skubal is for sale.

We don’t know the exact details but reporters say that Tarik heard the stories and reacted unhappily.  When asked to clarify, he said “I’m not gonna comment on that.  I won’t. I’m gonna keep those (thoughts) to myself, too.”

Earlier that day, Tarik was throwing things in the dugout in reaction to an inning and most probably the pressure of an uncertain future.

But in acknowledgement that he may be gone soon, he made sure to insist that the sports writers reported about how much he appreciated the fans.  And he spoke as if he wouldn’t see them again.

Maybe the anger was over the words he heard.  Or maybe it was the promise about his role in the rotation and the Tigers’ future.  Only now, it appears this team is headed for another rebuild.


Great teams have great coaches and if you’re looking for the best pitching coach of all time, it’s Leo Mazzone, who developed and oversaw the Atlanta Braves pitching program.  Over the weekend, he did an amazing interview on MLB Radio about his career and philosophy. 

Mazzone just got inducted into the Braves Hall of Fame.  He is the first coach ever to be inducted into any team’s Hall and is included on everyone’s list of baseball’s top 10 coaches of all time.

While many Tiger fans bemoan the trade of John Smoltz to Atlanta, he would not be the great pitcher he was if he stayed in Detroit.  Leo completely broke down his entire pitching form and rebuild it.

John became a completely different pitcher.  Leo deserves full credit. In fact, in his induction speech, Smoltz thanked Mazzone immediately at the beginning of his speech.

In 7 years (1991 – 1998), Mazzone turned out 3 pitchers who won 6 Cy Young Awards – Smoltz, Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine.

But something the interview brought out, piqued my attention.  Under Mazzone, the Braves only had 2 home-grown pitchers in 15 years who required Tommy John surgery.

That’s extraordinary.

Especially when you consider that at least 1 Tiger per year undergoes the procedure. Turnbull, Mize, Garcia, Fulmer, Faedo and a number of pitching prospects just recently.


Just before the All-Star break, Jeimer Candelario did an interview with multiple reporters gathered around his locker.  There were 3 very interesting observations that came out of it.

First of all, the writers for the 2 major Detroit dailies published pieces that went out of their way to paint a positive picture by excluding a lot of material.  The national reporters wrote much more, offered substantial quotes and painted a more accurate picture.

It was not a flattering portrait of Candelario.  He came across as defensive and unwilling to recognize just how deep a hole he has dug for himself.  A few bon mots:

“(It’s) not just on me because not one (person) is gonna do it all.  You see LeBron James in the NBA, he’s the best player, and he cannot do it all. It’s a game that takes a lot of people involved to win ballgames and to (have) a successful season.”

 “I wouldn’t say I’ve struggled. I’d say I just got to make the plays to win ballgames. Just got to continue to work really hard, and I know everything’s gonna be all right.”

It appears that hitting .191 at the time of this interview does not qualify as “struggling.”

And who knows how many other of his teammates share the same beliefs.

Lastly, right after these stories appeared, Jeimer really picked it up at the plate.  Was it the national attention that motivated him?

No, because we found out that during the All-Star break, he went home and spent 3 days with his former hitting coach.

What does that say about Scott Coolbaugh?

Which one of these stories resonated the most with you?

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28 thoughts on “MONDAY MUSINGS

  1. If Coolbaugh is a problem or inefficient in his duties, don’t you believe AJ would initiate or make moves? I know he’s said you can’t make moves if there isn’t improvement to be made. But why are so many struggling that have had previous success especially since Coolbaugh was here then also?

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    • Nobody wants to change horses midstream, Naldo. As to why guys are doing worse under Coolbaugh who did better under him last year – it’s a game of constant adjustments. Plus when so many guys are struggling at the same time, the coach can get swamped.

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  2. So maybe the best (only?) chance we have of Avila getting the Ziggy is a revolt with players going directly to CI to complain? Do the players have the access or clout to do that? The only one might be Miggy.

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  3. One can only hope that Chris Ilitch reads Holly’s columns. He has got to know that, even if he truly believes that our GM is doing an OK job (I am guessing he does not), there are much better GM options out there, and he owes it to himself and the fans to follow up on these. That new GM should be savvy enough to overhaul any area where the Tigers are sub-par; Especially training and player development.

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  4. Mazzone knew speed isn’t the only factor making a pitch hard to hit. Too many guys blow out arms trying to miss bats. Preventing solid contact while throwing strikes is the real art of pitching.

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    • I went to many Braves games in Atlanta in the mid-90’s. What a treat watching Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz pitch during a 3 game series. Maddux and Glavine were just on another level of the art of pitching. Smoltz could blow guys away, but Mazzone taught him how to think his way through a game and be strategic. I don’t think we will ever see a rotation like that again in MLB.

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  5. Nice to see things haven’t changed much. Players still go outside the organization for ‘ helpful hints’. Tigers club does it’s part to keep the medical staff employed and AA is still stirring the pot by keeping himself in the players heads. Sarc. Button used. Thanks for the updates and insights holly. No sarc. Deja Vu all over again.

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  6. Re Jeimer working with his hitting coach in Florida: Does it take a genius to figure out the hitting coaches for the Tigers need to be replace fast?

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  7. Another part of the Mazzone story I enjoy is that he points to Johnny Sain as being his mentor. Sain finished his career in Braves system and Hank Aaron told Mazzone to listen to everything Johhny had to say. Sain of course had a huge impact on the 1967-69 Tigers pitching staffs and many credit him for being a big part their success. Sain was definitely a rebel and wore out his welcome many times, but left a great legacy.

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  8. Here’s a little thought experiment: If Lloyd McClendon were the hitting coach this season we would be beside ourselves that he had not been fired for presiding over this mess. Coolbaugh should not let the door hit him on the way out.

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    • I’ve been reading here a lot of dissatisfaction of Coolbaugh this season. Weren’t TT Readers heaping praise on him last year? If I’m not wrong, then why is only Coolbaugh the only one getting trashed regularly here this year when the whole team is monumentally bad?

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      • Same argument also could apply to Avila if you think about it. After hiring AJ and the team seemingly turning a corner last season along with trades and free agent signings…alot of Tiger fans all thought Al had earned his stripes finally with his moves… especially with the Paredes for Meadows swap. Who knew less than 6 weeks later these same fans and followers would gladly guide both Coolbaugh and Avila to the gallows if they could.

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  9. Regarding Leo Mazzone and his track record of pitchers not having Tommy John surgery, that appears to be an apples and oranges comparison to the current times. Nobody had Tommy John surgery back when Smoltz/Glavine/Maddux pitched, and it seems like a cure-all these days, and not just for the Tigers. Like many people, I assume it has to do with the usage (or lack thereof) of ptchers these days.

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    • Hi, Pondo – While it’s true that TJ surgery has grown, it does date back to 1974. While Mazzone was the Braves’ pitching coach, MLB saw over 220 players during those years undergo the surgery. And there are teams who are known to be better in protecting their pitchers. The Mets were considered to be one of the worst with an above-average number of their pitchers having major surgery and there was some concern about the Tigers trading for Michael Fulmer from them because of the Mets’ reputation. In less than 2 years after being acquired, Fulmer had TJ surgery. – Holly

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      • Holly – Have you seen any studies published as to why TJ surgery is so prevalent these days? Also, how in the world did Verlander make it all those years with the Tigers and not get it, only to go to the Astros and need it. That seems backwards!

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        • Hi, Pondo – All great questions. TJ really is a result of a build-up of pitching mileage and strain. It rarely happens because of 1 year or a couple games. What’s going on now is the push for young kids to be playing earlier and more often when their arms aren’t fully developed and more susceptible to injury. Two-thirds of all TJ surgeries are now performed on kids aged 15-19. Those who didn’t have the surgery then go on to the majors and have to have it because of all the years they pitched, incl. those when they were young.

          As for JV, it most probably didn’t happen because of Houston but rather as a result of many years of pitching (incl. 13 with the Tigers) and also age. This is why Leo Mazzone emphasized “home grown” pitchers requiring TJ because the damage could have been done while with a previous team. Thanks for keeping the conversation going! – Holly

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  10. Scott Coolbaugh has been taking a lot of heat lately. I wonder if the addition of Javy Baez has upset the chemistry in the clubhouse?

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  11. Illitch needs to halt Avila from making any big moves. I have faith that Avila is gone after this season. Do we get someone from outside the organization? I would guess not so who know’s how that will turn out. Crapshoot. Keep Tarik though.

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  12. AA has never been able to keep his mouth shut when it comes to trades as compared to DD who never talked about anything AA learned nothing from him. Hitting coach needs to go and Miggy needs to become a hitting coach/player as he knows more about hitting than the current hitting coach does

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  13. Waiting for news of Al Avila’s latest trade on behalf of the Tigers is about as much fun as walking through a mine field in Viet Nam.

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