UNEXPECTED EXPECTATIONS

by Holly Horning

It just goes to show that one should never listen to certain local sports writers who tell us that a certain pitching prospect is the next coming of Nolan Ryan and Justin Verlander rolled into one.

Nothing so far in this Tigers’ rebuild has played out according to these projections.

There have been disappointments but there have also been surprises.  The players we were told to watch, told that they would take this team to the top of the heap, have not fared so well.

It’s the ones under the radar who have surprised us for the most part.

And it’s putting the Tigers’ master rebuilding plan back into the edit phase.

Casey Mize was the #1 draft pick in 2018 and for 5 years now, we’ve been waiting to see the potential we were promised.  After a small sampling under Ron Gardenhire’s regime, we were anxious to see him under a new manager and pitching coach.

The 2021 season showed some progress, esp. in ERA and WHIP but it was expected that 2022 would be Mize’s breakout year.

It’s been anything but.  Conflict over whether or not to throw his splitter combined with a loss of control that ballooned his ERA to 5.40 and his worst-ever WHIP.

Of course, development is not a linear process but shouldn’t there be some signs that show us the Tigers were correct in selecting him as their #1 draft pick?

And now, another injury has shut him down for the 3rd time since the Tigers signed him.  As of yet, there is no timetable for his return.

Even the words from manager A. J. Hinch to describe Casey’s progess in advancing his pitching skills were very diplomatic.

Matt Manning was the other #1 draft pick.  We were also told he would be the #2 punch to Mize and would help put Detroit back near the top of the standings.

That hasn’t worked out yet either.  There were stories over the past couple of years about doubt and struggle over whether Manning would actually make it.  After 5 years, there is some hope, however, Manning is also on the IL and still has yet to throw from the mound.

As we move to the 2nd round draft picks, Spencer Turnbull came up slowly, showed promise, but is now in limbo as he recovers from Tommy John surgery and is not expected to return to the mound until next year.  The Tigers selected him in 2014 and even though it was a high draft pick for Detroit, the team had one of MLB’s lowest draft orders back then.

Alex Faedo was widely touted since 2017 when he was selected in the 2nd round.  Multiple injuries and setbacks have kept him, 5 years later, on a back burner.  There’s a chance he may be called up at some point this year.

Now you know why they say you can’t have enough pitching.

On the flip side, there are 2 starters doing well.  Both of them flying under the radar of the local sports writers.

Zero expectations.

Heck, we didn’t even know about them until they were called up.

The first is Tarik Skubal.  The 9th round draft pick who zoomed up the ladder in just 2 years.  He throws a higher variety of pitches than the rest of the touted prospects and is now considered to be the best of all the young pitching hopefuls so far.

And today?  Beau Brieske.  Who heard of him before his call-up? One year ago, he was in A ball.

He was drafted in the 27th (yes, you read that right) round in 2019.  It took him less than 3 years to make the majors.

What do he and Skubal have in common?

They are said to fight the odds and persevere.  Both said to have “ice in their veins.”  Both called “bulldogs.”

These phrases were also used to describe Justin Verlander.  And Nolan Ryan.

Brieske said he knew the odds but had a “prove you wrong” mentality.  He’s also described as being a “high-IQ pitcher.”

Both pitchers, btw, consistently throw strikes, utilize a complete arsenal and aren’t afraid to attack hitters and take advantage of their weakest traits at the plate.

Is it a coincidence that these 2 pitchers with the same make up are pitching the best so far?  How important is mental fortitude?

Consider that Justin Verlander hadn’t pitched in almost 2 years, underwent major surgery and currently has 2 wins, 1 loss and a 1.73 ERA.  Oh, and a ridiculous .692 WHIP.  All at the age of 39.

Try telling him that he couldn’t come back, especially at his age.  I dare you.

So we read about how Skubal and Brieske have extraordinary powers of toughness and the ability to stay even-keeled during the most intense parts of a game.  We’ve also heard that Turnbull shares this quality.  But what about Mize, Manning and Faedo?

Does physical talent and mental fortitude go hand in hand?

And what about expectations?  Do the very top draft picks feel more pressure to perform well?  And does that get in the way or slow down their ability to progress?

There are still many more chapters to write in this book.  Certainly a lot of things can change.

But wouldn’t it be interesting if Detroit’s future long-term starting rotation ended up not having many of their very top draft picks?

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18 thoughts on “UNEXPECTED EXPECTATIONS

  1. I’ve seen many cases where mental fortitude overcame lack of physical talent – seldom the other way around. Give me a guy like Michael Fulmer, who’s rebuilding his career (largely under the radar). Can never have too many “ice in their veins bulldogs” on the team.

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  2. The obsession with “prospects”— how they are rated and where they are drafted has taken on a life of its own throughout sports. Some writers and fans are as interested in projecting their teams’ future success as winning in the present. It is no surprise that our expectation become profoundly effected by all the hype.

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  3. I’ve been told only 20% of #1 draft choices make to the majors so I guess we should not be surprised at our results so far. Holly, I’m with you the biggest surprise for me is Brieske and even Jack Morris seemed surprised that he kept throwing strikes. Yes, give me the nasty bull dogs, if they have talent they are the ones that will be able to get results when it counts most.

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  4. Very true, if you are going to make your “rebuild “. essentially all about pitching, you have to figure that lack of upward progress, injuries etc. are going to happen, it won’t be smooth sailing. Then consider that with time of service clocks already ticking away we are losing valuable time here.

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  5. What all this confirms to me is that the Tigers’ pitching coaches up til now had absolutely no clue about what they were doing to our young pitchers.

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  6. I read that 25% of pitchers undergo Tommy John surgery at some point in their careers. Unsuccessful draft picks shouldn’t be unexpected either, since only 17% of players drafted ever make it to the major leagues. This isn’t just a Detroit Tigers thing.

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  7. No one ever said that a Tiger pitching prospect was the next JV and Nolan Ryan rolled into one.. Why focus on the negative aspects of Mize, as you say Mize has had five years (really only 3 years) pitching and a 5.40 ERA in 2022, while pitching only10 innings, while being shut down with injuries for the third time (only the 2nd time) Check out his 2021 stats in his 2nd Tiger season, 30 starts, 3.71 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, not too bad.

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    • Hi, John – I would encourage you to re-read my blog. You’re taking a literal translation of the Ryan/Verlander line and reiterating or misconstruing facts about Casey Mize I already stated or inferred. Yes, Mize has been with the Tigers for a total of 5 years and shut down 3 times (2 in the minors) or 4 if you include Auburn. But this blog is not about Mize, it’s about a comparison of 6 young pitching prospects as it pertains to expectations, mental fortitude and whether the drafting order can hurt or help a pitcher. – Holly

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  8. Brady Singer, widely seen as the alternative draft pick to Mize, just got sent to AAA by the Royals. Right now I would rank our young pitchers 1-Skubal 2- Manning 3-Turnbull 4- Mize, with none of them being #1 and maybe even #2 starter quality.

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  9. It appears that Tyler Alexander is headed to the the IL with the same injury as Casey Mize. At some point, is Fetter going to get any blame for all of our pitchers getting hurt? All we ever hear is praise for him, but hard to ignore the facts – Boyd/Turbull/Mize/Manning/Alexander all injured. That can’t all be the result of the lack of “bulldog” mentality and high expectations.

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    • Good point, if he is going to get credit for being the pitching guru that he supposedly is, which there isn’t any proof of yet with the Tigers, then what part is he playing in these injuries? I hope this guy is the best pitching coach ever…but the long term results aren’t there yet and the injuries are mounting.

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    • Hi, All – As I research another blog, here are some stats to help put things in perspective. There are 7 other teams that have more pitching injuries than the Tigers. A couple teams in the double digits. Without fail, half or more of each team’s injuries are to pitchers. In terms of overall injuries, the Tigers are squarely in the middle of MLB.
      MLB and teams knew that there would be more injuries at the beginning of the year due to a shortened spring training which is why they expanded rosters to 28 and are now allowing teams to add an extra pitcher to their roster for another month. – Holly

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  10. Think of it like a venn diagram showing talent, mental toughness, hard work and manageable injuries. You have a great pitcher where all four intersect. It’s a pretty unique combination, which is why so few people are big leaguers. But you always need an adquate level of talent before the other three matter.

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  11. Hype has an inverse relationship to a lack of team talent. That is, the worse the team, the more prospects/ trades are heavily promoted. This horse is long dead but remember the talk about Franklin Perez, Jake Rogers, and Daz Cameron. The same may go for hyping coaches.

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  12. Everyone I ever worked with in personal management went either by their looks( how pretty they were) or by the mental strength of their character (me) as best I could read it. The tigers top shelf draft picks reflect the looks group, the lower draft picks my group. I just enjoy watching it play out. That’s why they play the games. Make your predictions..then get out of the way.

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  13. Its very dejecting seeing the long line of prospect failures since around 2006. Whether its bad luck,poor scouting,incompetence or even a jinx,the common denominator is Al Avila. I want so bad for Avila to turn around his terrible decisions record most of the time,but how can we as fans have any confidence in him? This franchise needs a change in GM badly.

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  14. Unlike many, I thought last year that Turnbull and Skubal were the most likely to become the staff aces. Something about the tenacity with which they went about their business impressed me far more than either Mize or Manning did. Hopefully, Turnbull can come back strong from the TJ.

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