MONDAY MUSINGS

by Holly Horning

Throughout the week, there are so many smaller stories hitting the media.  They may be bite-size, but often they are just as important as the headline-grabbing news.  Sometimes, even more.

And that’s what brings me to today.  A way to discuss some of these stories. A way to bring them out in the open for discussion.

And that’s the plan for Mondays.  Keeping track of these mighty little bits that hit my radar throughout the week and sharing them with you today because I know one or more will also resonate with you. So, let’s kick off this week’s musings…


Who wasn’t shocked with the signing of Carlos Correa by the Minnesota Twins?  Not just because it’s the Twins but since when does the last-place team in the AL Central (and third worst in the AL) make a move that is more indicative of a team that is ready to play October baseball?

Or was this more about the desperation in finding a home for Correa and not lose face?

The signs were already there.  Correa is on his third agent in just over a year.  And obviously, not having signed until now meant that any offers for him were nowhere near what he and agent Scott Boras wanted.

Maybe that’s the main reason why Correa kept jumping from agent to agent. Unrealistic expectations.

Essentially, the desired 10-year contract was broken down into a third of the desired range.  One-third the money, one-third the length.  But an opt out after each year so potentially Correa can test the market again at the end of 2022.  But it comes at a huge risk if he doesn’t have a great year or he misses time on the IL once again.

The most interesting part of this deal has to do with Boras, not Correa.  If a long-term deal was landed, Correa’s former agent would have received the majority of commission.  But a short-term deal would net Boras the entire sum.  Hmmm…..

But what’s the biggest point we can pull out of this?

It makes Chris Ilitch look smart for putting the brakes on how much money ($275 mill) and years the Tigers offered Correa.  And potentially, the team may have dodged a bullet.

But was it a serious offer or simply a move to show the world that you made an effort?  Perception is reality. 

Sometimes, the smartest move is only partially intentional.  A move that you know will be turned down but will also deflect all criticism of ownership.


Speaking of trades, is anyone surprised that Dave Dombrowski signed Nick Castellanos to a 5-year $100 million contract?  Afterall, Dave drafted him and both were with the Tigers at the same time.

It’s the second-largest contract ever given to an outfielder in Philly, whom Dave then immediately turned into a DH.  Nick now is part of what the media is calling the “all-DH team” as 1 of 5 players who are slow, defensively-challenged and primarily best serve as DHs. 

This move takes Philly over the luxury tax for the first time in their franchise history.  Just for 2 players, both primarily DHs, Dombrowski spent $179 million.  And currently, their payroll sits at $240 million.

When all is said and done, the Phillies may have the second highest payroll in MLB.  Dombrowski tripled it in just 15 months.

But baseball experts are particularly harsh about these moves.  One called it “a middle finger to traditional roster building.”  Another said “The defense is going to be bad. Really bad. It’ll be the source of jokes and frustration and long nights. It will make some pitchers look worse than they are. If the Phillies can average more than five runs scored per game, something they have not done in a full season since 2009, it might just be something everyone laughs about. Maybe.”

Others joked about sending sympathy cards to the team’s defensive coordinator.  They referred to the team’s ability to field the ball as a “Frankenstein defense.”

So why do I mention this?  Why are we still talking about the Tigers’ former GM?

It’s all part of the lesson about what went wrong with the team when he was GM in Detroit.  All the tremendous talent (esp. pitchers) that was done in by too many slow, badly-fielding players in October.  You have to be able to look back and see what didn’t work and what shouldn’t be repeated.

Lessons need to be learned.  And in order to do that, you have to understand the moves that were made in the past.

It also serves as a nice comparison about what the Tigers are doing now in order to achieve that ultimate goal. And if the Tigers manage to achieve what Dombrowski was unable to do, it will become the new roadmap to winning.

It also shows that Dombrowski doesn’t stay up with the times and trends.  He’s got an m.o. that he has used with every team – the Marlins, Tigers, Red Sox and now the Phillies.  Once again, he’s running up the payroll to dangerous levels and one day, there will be a reckoning.

It’s just surprising that the Phillies are willing to go through this eventual nightmare all over again.  They just spent 8 years tearing down after payroll skyrocketed and players got older and couldn’t be unloaded.

And given the smarter signings made by the Tigers, it appears that at least they learned an important lesson about how to build a roster.


Al Avila seems to have spent the lockdown getting some media coaching.  He no longer has diarrhea of the mouth as he give away every single bit of information to other teams in baseball and insults players along the way.

He’s much more diplomatic and is no longer showing his hand.  Case in point is when he addressed the issue of trade talks with other teams about acquiring a starting pitcher.  He said “I don’t want to get into the particulars of those conversations. But usually when it doesn’t fall into place, it’s usually because you’re not willing to put forth as much as what was being asked.”

And he’s learned to emphasize points and messages the team wants to downplay.  Over 3 days of interviews, Al relentlessly talked about the organization having no payroll limit.  How he was given the green light to spent what was needed.  Obviously to answer the recent big stories and fan backlash about how Chris Ilitch nixed the Correa deal.

However, the biggest story to come from him?  It’s what Avila didn’t say.

In mentioning that the Tigers were finished signing players, Al no longer stated that the team was looking for another outfielder.  Maybe what we can surmise from this is that the organization is hoping that Riley Greene makes the Opening Day roster.  He seems to be ready – or pretty darn close to it.

But the real push for adding Greene may be the new Player Promotion Initiative (PPI) that came out of the new CBA.  If the Tigers add rookies to their Opening Day roster, they get additional draft picks.

Which one of these stories resonated the most with you?

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25 thoughts on “MONDAY MUSINGS

  1. Can’t forget the pain of the “unbeatable” Tiger lineup Dave built in 2008 that proved to be nothing but a last place team with a bloated budget. This year’s “Phillies” could easily be a repeat. “Star Power” may fill the seats, but how long until the Philly fans hold a “Torch and Pitchfork” night?

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    • It definitely has the look of the Tigers slow pitch softball team– all slug , no field. We knew it was bad when chunky Jhonny Peralta got moved back to shortstop mid-career Miggy tried moving back to 40. fifty pounds later as well.

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  2. I was not discouraged by Avila’s chatter either. I liked it that he emphasized that early games count as much as those in a September race. Does that mean that prolonged big league game tryouts for guys like Nomar Mazara and Willi Castro are in our rearview mirror?

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  3. I, too, was puzzled by the apparent need for an outfielder, no longer on the table. I really think Al has had a sort of an epiphany as to top Tiger prospects and wants to see what Ryan and the revamped PD can do. I think Riley has more than just turned heads, and the Tigs appear ready to ride the rapids with him.

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    • I agree. And kudos to Al whose been following him since he was 14. Al also took a lot of heat for taking a high schooler with the 5th pick.

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  4. Yes it was a surprise that the Twins signed Correa. For those who think the Tigers missed out on this deal, the Tigers may have another shot at him, next year. How does this contract, if signed help them sustain winning when it could be done after one season? Why not offer $36 mil on a three year deal for three years. No opt outs or incentives? Would this be acceptable to beat the Twins deal?

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  5. When DD was GM of the tigers during the Jhonny and maggs defensive disasters he explained statistically why, in his opinion, defense was irrelevant. He explained the world series disaster’s as big stars not producing homers when needed in the series. I agree with Holly and his critic’s.

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  6. Every team needs strong defense. It’s not optional, can’t be hidden with great hitting. Lifts everyone’s hopes. Gets you into more close games where clutch base-running and hitting get a win.

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  7. In the nine year period between 2006 and 2014, with Dombrowski as GM the Tigers won American League pennants in 2006 and in 2012 and they won divisional titles in 2011, 2013, and 2014. No GM in franchise history had more success for Detroit than Dombrowski.

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    • Hi, Sky – Sorry, but that honor goes to Jim Campbell. He is credited with bringing 2 World Championships and 3 pennants to Detroit and for drafting Trammell, Whitaker, Morris, Parrish, Gibby, Fidrych and Petry. He was also great at trading bringing in McLain, Brinkman, Coleman, A. Rodriquez and others. Let’s not forget he also brought in Sparky. And he was infamous for not spending a lot of money. He spent 30 years as GM, President and Chairman of the Tigers. – Holly

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      • I started watching the Tigers in 1970 and went to my first game in 1972. During that time I only knew Mr. Campbell as a cheapskate and despised the guy. Thanks for setting me straight, Holly.

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        • Hi, Robert – Yes, Campbell was cheap and he wasn’t a favorite of mine back then either. But what he did with so little was tremendous. And his eye for home-grown talent was superb. How many other GMs can lay claim to having drafted so many stellar players and Hall of Famers? – Holly

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    • This is a good reminder about Dombrowski and Leyland both. Not only did they preside over Tiger teams knocking on the door, but the club was exciting. DD gets blamed for the years in the wilderness after he left, but as has often been pointed out here, other clubs have executed rebuilds much faster than the Tigers.

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      • Exactly. Dombrowski has become an unfortunate scapegoat for what happened after he left but let’s not forget the disaster that was Randy Smith — one of the youngest (and at the time celebrated) GMs in the MLB. And the AA and CI rebuild, entering its 7th year, has yet to reach .500.

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  8. Yes, I was surprised that Correa went to Minnesota. He was effective as a leader in Houston partly because he had an excellent cast of followers–people who had the talent and the desire to win. I’m not sure that describes the Twins. We’ll see, but I wish Carlos well, but not Boros.

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  9. I think it might be useful here to remind that the analytics/ sabermetrics crowd and their acolytes held sway for decades with the idea that big power hitters and power pitchers eclipsed old school singles, bunting, hit and run, stealing. A focus on defense was also diluted by this unfortunate thinking.

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  10. I believe the Twins intend to move Correa at the trade deadline. I’d imagine there is a no-trade clause that Correa can use to leverage a new contract in order to approve the trade. Twins looking to get young players in return.

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    • Hi, GoLions1 – Correa has an opt out clause after this year and another one after the next. There is also a limited no trade clause for this year that turns into a full no trade after. That will kill any real trade value considering that any team he approves would only have him for less than 2 months. Leveraging a no trade clause for a new contract would be tricky considering that Boras likes to pit teams against each other and negotiations for a contract of that size would take some time. It’s a real head-scratcher, isn’t it? 😉 – Holly

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  11. I wonder if we could do it over again, would we rather have Correa at 3 years and $110MM, plus incentives, or Baez at 6 years and $140MM. If you would choose Baez, you’d have to wonder if the Tiger’s jumped to fast? Did the Tiger’s misread the market again?

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    • Hi, Robert – From the reports that I read, Boras reached out to almost every MLB team but got nothing even close to what they were asking. Then late last week, he had to pivot and come up with a new plan. Only the Twins bit. Back when the Tigers were interested, there were no options other than 10 years. Even the Astros offered 6 years and that was turned down. I believe the new contract and strategy was simply born out of desperation and a creative way to try to get those 10 years in chunks. Thanks for keeping the conversation going! – Holly

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  12. I think the reason Correa signed with the Twins is because he almost had to. Early this free agency, Carlos let his mouth over run his rear end and firing agents was not helpful. He came off as a loose cannon and the Twins deal gives him a chance to recover if he has a great season soon. If he does opt out the Twinkies will do well also.

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  13. Hi, Sky – Campbell was given credit for the “84 Tigers as he built the team. But maybe your definition of “success” is different than mine. I’ll take a GM who brought the Tigers 2 World Series rings over 1 that didn’t get 1 at all. I’m a “quality over quantity” type of gal. 🙂 – Holly

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