WHEN THIN ISN’T IN

By: Holly Horning

The drumbeats are getting louder, folks.  And all of it coming from the national media. 

Shocker, I know.

Of course, butter wouldn’t melt in the mouths of the sportswriters from the 2 major Detroit dailies.  Instead, they get their marching orders from the Tigers and circle the wagons around the owner, GM and talent on the team whenever a critical story comes out about the rebuild (or “rebuild”, if you prefer).

And they’ve been kept very, very busy lately churning out these fairy tales.

Last week, the national writers and radio shows questioned the validity, vision and progress of what the team is doing to return to a competitive level.

This week, three more stories.

The Athletic continues their solid analysis, this time focusing in on why the team is so terrible in all aspects of playing the game.  Cody Stavenhagen writes: 

The root of these issues lies deeper — in a player development system that lagged behind for years, in increasingly ugly trade history, in a pandemic offseason in which the Tigers didn’t exactly live up to claims like “building up” and “win now.” The faults for baseball’s worst team ultimately land on the doorstep of ownership and the front office.”

We know about the trade history and the failure of the team to add players in a season where bargains were everywhere.  Even earning the distinction of being the only team not to sign a regular first baseman for some peculiar reason but we all know that it was related to the owner’s unwillingness to field a competitive team by spending the necessary money.

And we’ve certainly known since 2017 that this all falls on the shoulders of Chris Ilitch and Al Avila.

Given the implosion in Denver, MLB Radio analysts discussed why the Rockies are a failed and dysfunctional team.  Their farm system with players not coming up as expected and touted.  The same people in charge for decades who stick together in one small clique and refusal to bring in new faces or any fresh perspectives.  And the analysts’ mandate?  “All must go.”  A brooming that is necessary in order for this organization to move forward.

Sound familiar?

We’ve talked so much about most of this already when it comes to the Tigers.  What we haven’t fully explored is the Tigers’ player development system.  But we’ve had our suspicions – with certainly enough evidence.

The Tigers, and some fans, are quick to point out that they have a top farm system.  But that ranking is solely due to high draft picks from multiple years of tanking.  It’s not like the Tigers have excelled at developing lower draft picks and they shot up through the system.

The way most farm rankings works is not due to merit or talent seen.  It’s a point system that awards top draft picks, esp. #1 picks, a much higher number of points.  Some who evaluate using actual talent identify “elite” prospects which is based upon the actual skills and results seen in the minors.  The better teams have multiple elite players.  The Tigers have none.

Now, let’s look at who is in the Tigers’ top 20 system:

#7 – Joey Wentz (recovering from TJ surgery)

#9 – Daz Cameron (on IL for months, now with broken wrist)

#10 –  Alex Faedo (2 surgeries including TJ)

#14 – Jake Rogers (too painful to mention)

#15 – Franklin Perez ( 25 innings in 3 years and now injured again)

These 5 constitute 25% of the Tigers’ top 20 prospects.  But some of these prospects are, really, no longer prospects.  They’ve been around too long and aren’t moving up through the system well.  Perez never got out of A ball.

We’ve seen a number of them on the IL more than on the field.  One who hasn’t pitched in 2 years and is still ranked highly in the system. 

Do you see how silly this rating system really is?  It’s fool’s gold.

Many assume that because a player came highly ranked, that he’s a slam dunk to play in the majors.  Nothing is further than the truth.  Less than 60% of the #1 draft picks make it to the majors and last longer than a year.  And approximately 70% of all prospects don’t make it beyond a year.

The five listed above have the odds of making the majors stacked against them.  How many of the other 15 will make it?

And that’s the real question.  Do players succeed in reaching the major leagues because of their reputation or because of the coaching and training they receive in the minors?  Or both?

As we’re about to see, the crucial factor is player development in making or breaking the advancement of prospects.

Which now brings us to A. J. Hinch and an innocuous interview done with him in the 2 Detroit dailies that was presented as a filler piece. 

Except, it’s not.

Statements from the manager about how he checks in regularly with all the managers down in the minors at least weekly to discuss progress.  He’s the first Tigers manager to do that.

It was an eye-opener for me.  A very pleasant one.  A hopeful one.

You see, Hinch’s background includes a stint as VP of Professional Scouting for the Padres.  He was also the Farm Director for the Diamondbacks.

When he moved to the Astros, A. J. was included in the discussions involving signing and promoting players.  Jeff Luhnow liked his background in player development which was a major factor in hiring him.

While he was there, the Astros picked apart their entire farm system, brooming instructors, managers, coaches and scouts.  Luhnow said that you can’t be afraid to fire people if they aren’t on board with the direction of the team and unable to implement and translate the data required to the players.

Houston instituted advanced technology for their minor league teams that allowed for more info and feedback.  It resulted in better performance because the players finally understood what worked for them and what they needed to do in order to reach their goals.

All of their prospects received biomechanical evaluations that improved their hitting, pitching and fielding.  And Houston pioneered the position of development coach which is used throughout their entire minor league system and now roundly copied by other teams.

Copied because Houston had the best farm system in MLB when it came to results and player advancement.

Copied because Houston has the best player development system in all of MLB.

Copied because (just as one example) the Astros took 3 sub-replacement level (less valuable than fringe players) athletes and turned them into bona fide stars because of their advanced player development system that identified each player’s strengths and helped them improve their weaknesses.

Oh, those players names?  Jason Castro, Colin McHugh and…….Jose Altuve.  (For the record, Altuve wasn’t even drafted and spent only 3 years in the minors before his MLB debut at age 21.)

The Astros system has been widely described as creating a “string of spectacular successes in data-driven player development.”

Which brings us back full circle to Hinch and his phone calls.

He’s gauging how each team works with its players and develops them.

Why?  Because he’s a former scouting VP and farm director.

And he’s gathering evidence of how the players perform – or don’t.

Because, in October, he’s going to have a serious chat with the Front Office about the changes that need to be made.

The Tigers wouldn’t have hired him if they didn’t like this “value added.”  And A. J. wouldn’t have accepted the job as being just the manager when he had widespread responsibilities in Houston.

He had a role in helping the Astros become successful at all levels.  Afterall, it’s the manager who reaps the benefits of having a certain level of talent on the roster.

And let’s remember that he didn’t come to Detroit because he was desperate for a job.  Like everyone else who was implicated in the cheating scandal, he would have easily found a new home.  He came because his best friend is Scott Bream, who coincidentally, is the Tigers VP of Player Personnel and probably the only competent member of the Front Office.

You don’t think that these two have a plan for improving the minor leagues during the off-season?

It’s not just a coincidence that Hinch landed here.  He sees a chance to dig down into this organization and improve it.  But he needs at least a year in his managerial role to ascertain what is going on and get to know those who are running things in A, AA and AAA.

And that’s why he calling all these minor league managers.

Collecting evidence.  Or the lack thereof.

If the Tigers are going to tank once again, they need to make it worthwhile this time.  Maybe even try to save some of the high draft prospects already in the system.

And maybe, just maybe, Chris Ilitch will understand how much money he is wasting by not having a player development system that can turn this straw into spun gold.

Fingers crossed.

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23 thoughts on “WHEN THIN ISN’T IN

  1. Good take Holly. Glad you mentioned Scott Bream, who is a super scout in his own right and the only one in the front office earning his keep, He and Hinch could prove quite the team if given the keys. Numerous changes better happen, concrete changes that the fans can see. Everyone at Toledo so far is hitting below the Mendoza line, at a time when the parent team needs help. The Tigers are a mess.

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  2. I do not share this “Hinch as the player development savior” viewpoint, Holly. That is the GM and owners responsibility to craft and run player development, as you pointed out with the Houston example and that was in the works before AJ joined up. llitch will do only enough to remain profitable. I doubt he will listen to AJ more than a Jim Leland or Al Avila, let alone broom folks in the front office. AJ will be gone in a year or two.

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  3. Wish I shared your optimism, Holly, but Chris’ ownership has made me an extreme skeptic. If AJ was hired for his expertise in player development and being listened to, we’d already be seeing some meaningful changes. And wasting a year to evaluate what needs to be done is dangerous when you only have a three year contract. That big October meeting could end with Hinch being slammed into the boards by Chris Ilitch as he skates off to count his profits.

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    • Hi, McWatt – So you are saying that someone new to the organization should immediately come in and start making changes without knowing the people or the organization? That minor league changes should be made when there is nothing yet to evaluate because the minors only got up and running last week? That Hinch should be able to address both the Detroit roster and changes in the minors at the same time? I understand your desire to see changes but those expectations are unrealistic and a recipe for disaster. Even Theo Epstein took a full year before making important changes to the Cubs. You have to understand the people and the problems before making changes. Sometimes it’s much better to make the right changes than to make changes for the sake of change. -Holly

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      • Respectfully, Holly, there’s a difference between a rash decision on day 1 and waiting until day 365 to act. AJ was hired at the end of October with his eyes wide open so he’s had 6 months to assess the state of Tiger minor league organization and player development. That’s enough time to make some early recommendations. Chris Ilitch is the elephant in the room and proposals for organizational change won’t work without his full support.

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      • Hi, McWatt – I understand what you’re saying but no one is going start making changes to the organization in the middle of the year. So you have to wait until the end of the season. But I’d still like to know how a new employee can assess a minor league system that was shut down in its entirety last year and only got running again last week. What does he have to evaluate if no one is around? Covid complicated and slowed down a number of things last year and you can’t ignore its impact and the changes it created. – Holly

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  4. I like your optimistic assessment of the Hinch hire, because it is not a typical Al Avila move. So, one has to believe that CI was behind the move and that gives me hope that something good is going on behind to scenes and it won’t be just business as usual from the geriatric crew in the front office.Hinch firing player development would be a cost effective move for Chris Ilitch and a big plus for the fans.

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    • Hi, Robert – I’ve been wondering that, too. Although I don’t think he’ll be GM. I think eventually he’ll take a bigger role in the Front Office and potentially Scott Bream becomes GM. It would be a really good pairing. Thanks for the kind words, btw. – Holly

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      • It may not be fair to Scott Bream, but whenever Avila is replaced I want someone from outside the organization. A totally new perspective with new leadership. I hope you are ultimately on the right path Holly, since my cynical side just sees Hinch as being a marriage of convenience at this point. Excellent article and analysis – interesting to see where this goes.

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  5. Theo Epstein was on Bill Simmons podcast and hinted that he might be willing to get back to an executive role. If that is true, Chris Ilitch should be backing up the Brinks truck. I like Hinch, but he inherited a fantastic situation in Houston since Luhnow had been there righting the ship since 2011. If Chris makes a run at Epstein, I’ll change my opinion about his willingness and desire to turn the Tigers into a winner.

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  6. You can count the players that came up through the Tigers’ system since the late 70s on one hand. This has been an issue forever. A huge part is player development. The Tigers have been disastrous at that since the group that became the nucleus for the 1984 championship team came up. I don’t know if Scott Bream is competent or not, but if he is VP of Player Personnel he deserves his share of the blame.

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    • Pondo, my turn to agree with you. I was going to question why we should have faith i Bream since he’s been part of the Tiger organization continuously since 2013. Also, not everything Houston touches turns to gold. Other than Bregman their 1st round draft picks from 2013 – 2017 (Appel, Aiken, Tucker, Whitley, & Bukauskas) haven’t amounted to much of anything.

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  7. If Hinch does have that October meeting, I assume it will be with both CI and Avila. In that setting, I can’t see Hinch saying get rid of Avila. On top of that, get rid of the entire front office, Leyland, the entire minor league coaching and instructor staffs and the training and conditioning staffs. In a normal world, this is the GM’s responsibility.

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    • Hi, Steve – I wasn’t implying that Hinch would opine about anything other than improving player development in his year-end meeting. No one is going to try to off their boss. 🙂 HInch is very smart and I’m sure he’s learned that in order to be effective, you plant seeds and don’t leave fingerprints. – Holly

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  8. I’m wondering what the Astros organization missed in J.D. Martinez that he was let go so prematurely only to become one of baseball’s premiere sluggers elsewhere.

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    • Hi, Ronald – It was a couple things. First, JD wasn’t doing well as a hitter as an Astros and only changed his swing after he was released. He hired a couple independent coaches. He was also slow and couldn’t field well with Houston. The Astros had George Springer coming up which was the final piece of the reason why JD was released. Thanks for keeping the conversation going! – Holly

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  9. I guess we’ll see but I’m among those that have not hopped on the Hinch bandwagon. The Astros (farm system and parent club) were fully formed when Hinch showed up after his lackluster experience in Arizona and Hinch showed an amazing lack of leadership when he allowed the cheating to be initiated and continue under his tenure. Maybe he learned something positive in Texas. Let’s hope so.

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  10. Holly, I would love it if you were right and we were about to see some big changes. I’m skeptical however, because we have Al Avila instead of Jeff Luhnow and most importantly—we have Chris Ilitch!!! I doubt very seriously that Chris I has any interest at all in improving our Detroit Tigers. I think he’s quite happy just sitting there with his pockets full of money!!!

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  11. Holly–Great post. Can you tell us, maybe in another post, how excellent franchises like the Yankees, Dodgers, and Cardinals handle their player development? What can the Tigers learn from them?

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