TRADING AND TRIGGER TROUBLES

By:  Holly Horning

Baseball experienced its first normal moment in this very strange “season” on Monday. The Detroit Tigers traded Cameron Maybin, for the third time, to the Cubs.

Do you think that when Maybin signs with Detroit, he probably doesn’t unpack his luggage?

The Tigers made 1 trade this deadline in a season of uncertainty. There were rumors of other teams interested in Norris, Jones, Schoop and a few others, but in the end, they had to keep the tradition alive by bidding “adieu” to Cameron.

And maybe, this is all a good thing. Maybe the best trades are the ones you don’t make.

Especially if you’re Al Avila.

On Sunday, I was treated to a double dose of Al’s trading prowess courtesy of MLB Radio and Fangraphs. Enough that it took every bit of energy to keep myself from rolling the car as I was driving home from vacation.

First, a refresher. Here are Avila’s trades so far in his tenure as GM:

– J.D. Martinez traded for Sergio Alcantara, Jose King and Dawel Lugo

– Alex Avila and Justin Wilson for Jeimer Candelario and Isaac Paredes

– Justin Upton for Grayson Long and Elvin Rodriquez

– Justin Verlander, Juan Ramirez and cash for Daz Cameron, Jake Rogers and Franklin Perez (Voted #1 best trade of the last decade in favor of the Astros.)

– Ian Kinsler traded for Wilkel Hernandez and Troy Montgomery

– Leonys Martin and Kyle Dowdy traded for Willi Castro

– Mike Fiers traded for Nolan Blackwood and Logan Shore

– Nick Castellanos and cash traded for Alex Lange and Paul Richan

– Shane Greene traded for Joey Wentz and Travis Demeritte

Granted, there are still a few players with performance records still to be determined. But overall, save one, the other 8 trades Avila made are near or complete disasters.

And it’s not just me saying this. Fangraphs is, as well.

They have written that the teams who acquired players from the Tigers gained a 29.7 bWAR. The Tigers? They got 0.4 bWAR in return.

Yes, you read that right.

Maybe we should be breathing a sigh of relief after Monday’s deadline that Al didn’t trade more players.

Depending upon which media publications you read, most of the local Detroit beat writers claimed that the Tigers weren’t making trades because they wanted to keep the team together for a playoff push.

Al Avila claimed that he wasn’t going to make a trade unless the return was worth it.

Now he says it!

But the national media said on Sunday that, quite frankly, any players the Tigers currently have available would not be worth much on the trading block. Even Jonathan Schoop.

And if you combined player value and this year’s limitations, trading would indeed be a difficult task this year. Due to the inability for scouts to work in 2020 (and forcing teams to go solely on last year’s stats) and the trading pool strictly limited to each team’s 60 player roster.

The former managers/GMs-turned media analysts all agreed that Avila has consistently waited too long or failed to see the market for trading Tigers. They point to Michael Fulmer who should have been traded at least 2 years ago.

The Cubs had offered Javier Baez while the Astros offered Alex Bregman for Fulmer.

Ouch.

Daniel Norris is another one who had other teams interested but injury and his questionable position within the pitching roster has dampened enthusiasm.

And then there is Matthew Boyd. The Tigers have been trying to trade him for almost 3 years now with other teams universally saying that their ask was “prohibitive”. Avila had asked the Yankees for Gleyber Torres. Brian Cashman, their GM, stated that the proposal was beyond ridiculous.

Which brings us to ask which executives within the Front Office are involved in negotiating trades. It has been reported that Avila leans heavily upon a group of long-time associates going back to Pittsburgh and Miami including Dave Littlefield.

Littlefield was the Pirates GM and earned a reputation throughout MLB as a “difficult trading partner” with demands that “were often seen as grossly excessive” per reports in both the Pittsburgh and Chicago papers.

Doesn’t this sound similar to what is going on in Detroit now?

But now, let’s get back to Boyd…..

All of the analysts are in agreement that Boyd has zero value currently to other teams.

At least 3 opportunities to build the roster in which the Tigers over-asked or failed to pull the trigger on time.

And now, they have 3 pitchers who are making a combined $11 million per year. Because of arbitration, they will be earning even more next year.

After this season, they are the team’s most expensive players after Miggy. And it will get very complicated now that Mize, Skubal, Alexander et al are expected to fill the rotation spots going forward. Each of these rookies pulling in a mere $563,500.

Is the team going to continue to pay Fulmer, Norris and Boyd all these millions for mediocre performance? Have they now reached the point where they may simply be forced to give them away or allow them to walk?

Combine these lost opportunities with the significant changes going on in the minor leagues. It is expected that MLB, going forward, will only agree on a maximum of 10 draft rounds. Not 40. The streams of prospects for the Tigers are drying up and the repeated failures by this Front Office to capitalize on trading talent at the right time is now just even more magnified.

And it doesn’t bode well for this rebuild.

The Tigers struck out trying to trade Fulmer, Norris and Boyd. In baseball, three strikes mean you’re out.

Shouldn’t the same rule apply to the decision-makers in the Front Office as well?

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17 thoughts on “TRADING AND TRIGGER TROUBLES

  1. I’m guessing the only trade you are putting in the win column is getting Candy & Paredes from the Cubs but I think Martin for Castro will end up a win and Kinsler was bad his last year here and worse the 2 after so I can’t mark that as a lost trade. I’m glad they never were able to trade Norris, now that he’s being used properly as a relief pitcher he’s very valuable. Avila’s been bad but I think you’re being too harsh.

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  2. the candy peredes trade could be a steal and as u say, the willie c trade looks good as well. completely deceiving to say we lost the JD and upton trades as well. we were basically forced to trade them both and with JD, there was NO market at all, so avila was forced to take those bad players. basically same with upton. still think the JV haul could be decent and even there, JV was of no use to us any longer..the shane greene haul looks good

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    • Hi, Ed – Regarding the JD Martinez trade, it is not “completely deceiving” re the Martinez and Upton trades when there are multiple reports of more than a couple teams interested in trading for them. Three teams – Red Sox, D’backs and the Rockies alone for JD. It was leaked that Avila refused to deal with Dave Dombrowski who made the best offer. So no, Avila wasn’t forced to take any deal. He dropped the ball. As for Upton, there were also 3 teams interested – D’backs, Giants and Angels. You gotta stop reading those Detroit papers which protect incompetency by not reporting the real information. 😉 – Holly

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      • One of the things that always bothered me about the JD/Upton trades was that JD’s free agency and Upton’s opt out clause coincided. It might be unfair of me to criticize this, but it would seem rahter obvious that someone should have pointed out to Avila the possible pitfalls in the future that this could cause. It would seem obvious that other GM’s could take advantage of this situation which was well known.

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  3. The Tigers are playing better this shortened season, but I don’t think it’s real or permanent. Their biggest problem(s) are the owner and GM. Until both are gone, the team will not become a contender.

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  4. The team has been very unlucky in trades for a very long time or they just are always a step behind everyone else in evaluation of talent or they destroy value once a player is under their developmental control. My hunch is they are unable to harness players talent and take them to the next level. Lots of evidence with injury prevention and management debacles. They are also for sure a step or two behind most professional sports organizations.

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  5. One question I always ask myself – even with his flaws, would Dave Dombrowski have this team in better shape than Al Avila right now? I personally feel that the answer is a resounding yes. The entire franchise was a disaster before DD’s arrival and became one quickly after he left. Dave had his misfires but he could identify talent and was a shrewd negotiator. You cannot win consistently in any pro sport with an incompetent GM.

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    • Dombrowski had the advantage of Ilitch the Elder’s bankroll. That said, he did pull off some larcenous trades in his time, getting Guillen, Polanco and Scherzer for pennies on the dollar. On the whole, his record in Miami, Detroit, and Boston was quite consistent–a nice run, followed by fiscal exhaustion and collapse, which was left to his successor to contend with. Rather like Billy Martin getting every last particle out of his charges before leaving a depleted husk behind.

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      • Absolutely an argument to be made there. I still fondly reflect on 2006 before the Tigers became a “big-market” club. He did a fantastic job with some excellent veteran signings, shrewd trades, along with an influx of young talent we hadn’t seen in over two decades. They were still a middle of the road payroll at the time. Once Mr. I unleashed the purse strings things certainly changed.

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  6. Also glad Avila didn’t make any trades beside Maybin (who many wish they would have kept as a team leader – see Kurt about that one). After all, if he couldn’t get much for trades involving All-Stars like JV, JD and Upton, I imagine he would get nothing in return for anyone on the current roster.

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  7. The disasterous trade of Justin Verlander for three medicore minor leaguers will forever mark Al Avila’s GM career even if other trades worked out (which the vast majority have not). Rogers, Cameron, and Perez may not be on anyone’s MLB roster.

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  8. Interesting point you make about Al Avila not accepting either Javier Baez or Alex Bregman for Michael Fulmer. Not defending Al (he’s indefensible) but I will add this note. It illustrates that even very solid front office people (in this case Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer from the Cubs and former disgraced GM Jeff Luhnow of the Astros) can get away with blunders sometimes. Had Avial accepted either offer, one of them would be wearing the dunce cap.

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  9. The Verlander trade has got to be the worst trade in Tigers history. What got me was Avila throwing in millions of dollars to sweeten the deal, and then JV subsequently signed an extension with the Astros for MORE money than what he was making with the Tigers. I can’t image a worse eye-raking than that.

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    • The Verlander trade at least had the excuse of financial pressure. The trade I will always despise above all others was giving away Kapler, Catalonotto, and Cordero for Juan Gonzalez. Getting Gonzalez for nothing would have been a bad trade, but we gave away three guys who had very useful MLB careers.

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  10. It is totally frustrating how the Tigers management continues to blunder over and over again. From scouting to developing players it never seems to end in Detroit. Plus sugar coated Detroit newspaper articles that never question the Tigers. So Frustrating.

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