MUST-SEE JV NOW HAS THREE

By:  Holly Horning

He looked the same. He was even wearing #35. But that letter on his cap wasn’t a “D.”

And he is, once again, Must-See JV. Even if he’s playing for another team.

Should we be surprised that Justin is once again dominant?

No, because he is with a team known for taking talented guys, especially pitchers, and turning them into MLB-leading athletes.

The Tigers officially maintained radio silence on any congrats to JV for his no-hitter. Maybe it was because they unloaded him, another prospect and $16 million dollars for 3 players who do not appear to move the needle. A trade completed most probably as a pure salary dump but also the worst trade in Tigers history.

Or maybe it’s because JV’s performance since he has left now highlights how behind the times the Tigers truly are.

The powers that be have planted the idea that JV merely “reinvented” himself as he got older. But that’s hardly the case. Read any one of a number of articles in the national media and they will take you through how proactive and invested the Houston Astros are in building their team and getting the best performance out of each player.

Even JV has done a number of interviews where he praises Houston and gives them much of the credit.

JV has not returned to his old self. He’s simply become a better pitcher.

When he first moved to Houston, he made a comment about feeling like a kid in a candy store. The Astros had so many resources and people to help him. He said he never knew that all of this, coupled with state-of-the-art technology, was available. Translation: He never had any of this in Detroit. He never even knew it existed.

What Houston does is unique. When a pitcher comes into the fold, he sits down with all the Front Office heads, the analytics department, scouts and coaches for multiple-day intensive meetings. They present dossiers, charts and videos on his past performance. They have extensive stats on which pitches are his best – and worst.

They show video and break down his delivery. They discuss the strategies for improvement and then map out a program for going forward.

The Astros have super computers and Rapsodo and Edgertronic machines (the pitcher is hooked up to it with wires and a vest) which completely dissect every pitch and provide data. And there are high-speed cameras that capture every single movement of the pitcher. The same type of cameras that can perfectly record every single movement of a hummingbird in flight.

The Astros, to summarize, completely retooled Verlander’s arsenal and tweaked his delivery. They offer, as one analyst wrote, a program of designer pitches tailored for every arm on the team. They improved his slider by changing his hand position so it looked like a fastball coming off his hand. They eliminated his 2-seam fastball because it wasn’t effective.

They introduced him to spin rate which also helped increase his speed velocity. They eliminated his sinker and gave him the tools to increase his strikeouts. His focus now is on 4-seam fastballs paired with curveballs.

He strikes out 35% of batters he faces. His slider is being swung on and missed 40% of the time. His WHIP is .722.

The Astros freed him from the Tigers’ template which didn’t play to his strengths. As of late last week, he leads MLB in innings pitched, strikeouts, WHIP, strikeouts-to walks ratio and hits/9 innings – to name a few categories.

Oh, and also wins.

His ERA is 2.56.

Houston also happens to have the best analytics system (a combo of scouting, eye test, performance history, technology, video and stats) in baseball. They spend upwards of $20 million every year to keep it that way.

Yes, we certainly miss JV, but ironically, pushing him out the door has made him an even better pitcher……

….with an even better chance of reaching the numbers that get you easily elected to the Hall of Fame.

And let’s pray that the Tigers realize what is happening in Houston. And what they need to do.

JV finished #2 in Cy Young voting last year. What should have been #1 if not for an errant journalist’s vote. He is widely believed to be the leading candidate this year to win the award.

He also now has the ring. Something he never got in Detroit.

And if he earns pitching’s greatest award again, and an MVP, in Houston over the next 2+ years, there is a chance that he may go into the Hall wearing an Astros cap.

The Hall of Fame states that a cap is determined by where the player “made his most indelible mark.” But the rules for entrance have evolved so that the candidate’s preference is also now considered to a certain degree.

And if JV earns the same accolades that he did in Detroit, that may just tilt the chances in Houston’s favor. Especially since he got his ring (or maybe two) there.

Winning a World Series also tends to support aligning with the team you were on when it happened. Couple that with the trend that people favor their most recent employers. Great experiences tend to cloud and diminish the memories of earlier years.

Then there’s Justin’s unhappiness with certain members of the Detroit media and his statements about how the Tigers misdiagnosed his injury, costing him over 1.5 years in his career. They could factor into the equation. It’s happened before – with Jim Bunning when he insisted on going into the Hall wearing a Phillies hat despite having been with the Tigers longer and earning most of his accolades there.

It may be hard for some of us to watch Verlander pitch in a different uniform. And most of us enjoy seeing him regain his championship levels.

But none of us want to see him immortalized in baseball history wearing anything that doesn’t include the Olde English D.


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42 thoughts on “MUST-SEE JV NOW HAS THREE

  1. The hat thing is no big deal to me. I don’t understand all the fuss. He will go in as an Astro. Besides, JV chose to leave Detroit and his fans because he did not want to suffer through a rebuild. He has no loyalty to Tigers fans.

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    • Hi, Herb – For the record, it is documented that JV didn’t want to leave the Tigers. He was pushed out, along with Justin Upton after months of Al Avila saying they were available. The Tigers also put him on waivers. He had no choice. Verlander did not want to leave as evidenced by the fact that he hesitated to sign the documents until 1 minute before deadline and is quoted as this being the hardest thing he’s ever had to do. Thanks for continuing the dialog! – Holly

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      • Hi, Herb – Yes, JV had refusal rights but would someone really want to stay when he’s told he’s no longer wanted, being actively shopped and then put on waivers? The Tigers and Astros had been working on trading him for a full 2 months before he finally agreed. He only agreed to consider the trade the day it happened and right after the Tigers pushed Justin Upton out the door earlier that day. It comes across as more of a player being loyal to his team and only leaving when he sees that staying will complicate the rebuild. – Holly

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      • Holly, shame on you. Nearly every ML player is put on “waivers” prior to trade deadlines. It means nothing (even less now) and you know that as well as anyone. Just saying.

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    • What would you have done in that situation? Stay aboard a sinking ship, wasting the last few years of your HOF career wondering “what if”? These guys are humans, and guys like JV are the ultimate competitors. Even with the lousy circumstances here, he was still torn about the decision. I respect him for how he handled the situation, and he received the ultimate prize.

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    • I guess I don’t understand the “loyalty to the fans” argument. In any other profession, it is understood that if a better job situation comes along, you will move to it. Houston is obviously a far better place than Detroit at the moment for a major league baseball player–why wouldn’t anybody prefer to be there? Never mind that he was pushed out the door in Detroit.

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    • It is a bid deal to go in as a Tiger. He was drafted and most of his career was here and it definitely adds to the Tigers legacy. Being in the HOF is permanent and an impressive accomplishment for JV and the Tigers.

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  2. Right on the mark in the article.
    The Tigers are an anachronism. The smaller your budget, the MORE you should invest in technological resources.
    As for JV, he will be inducted in the HOF around 2027 or 28 as a first ballotter. He will be wearing an Astros cap.

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      • on the road to detroit podcast paul richan (pitcher we got from cubs in caatellanos trade) applauded tigers use of analytics to inform pitching adjustments he’s made which have him
        pitching lights out for the flying tigers since his arrival. he said the cubs were nowhere near as data driven. nice evidence that our org is moving in the right direction.

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  3. Remember hearing this earlier this year from a so called fan, when we beat him that one game. “The Tigers won the Verlander trade.” Hahahahahahaha!

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  4. Just my opinion, but the worst thing that could happen to the Tigers’ organization is to see Verlander wearing an Astros cap on his introducing day in the Hall Of Fame.

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  5. Looking years down the road, if there is any sort of players strike when the current CBA expires and it mirrors the ‘94 strike, it may prevent Justin one day from getting his 4,000th strikeout. As it stands today, he’s going to get really close to that number if he stays healthy.

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  6. In 1998, a 34 year old Randy Johnson was going through an average season with a struggling Seattle club. He was traded to Houston where he promptly went 10-1 with a 098 WHIP and helped lead the Astros to the playoffs. That was followed by 4 straight Cy Young Awards in Arizona. JV was still a top of the rotation guy when he was traded. Rumors of his demise were greatly exaggerated. With his mechanics, I think he can pitch effectively until he’s 45.

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  7. So JV and Nick were bold told they were no longer wanted. For a few years anyways, Nick made no secret of the fact he wanted to stay with the Tigers. When you look at the grab bag of a ball team they have now, you really have to scratch your head and wonder if anyone in the Organization knows what the heck they are doing.

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  8. Many of the points made in the comments/replies today only reinforce the argument that JV goes in as an Astro. Most of us are loyal to our current employer, not a previous employer. I understand sports may be different, but as Holly stated in her reply to my earlier point, management let him know he was not wanted. I don’t think he misses Detroit as much as some might believe.

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  9. He never got a ring in Detroit because he didn’t earn it. The team did not earn it. I have my own opinions about JV, which I will keep to myself. If he doesn’t go into the Hall as a Detroit Tiger, he needs to hang his head in shame. JMO.

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  10. Not sure I believe in all this Astros magic, they had the 1/1 picks in the 2013 & 14 drafts and got nothing out of Appel & Aiken. Correa has only played more than 110 games once in his 5 seasons (imagine the talk about the Tigers substandard training staff if he did that here) & they didn’t fix McCullers’ premature pronation that led to TJ surgery. Derek Fisher was a high pick in 2014 out of college and hasn’t developed into anything yet. They cut JD Martinez & Fiers got better after he left them.

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    • Hi, Spartan – Understand your assessment but there is context as well that needs to be included. The Astros just changed owners in 2012 and it took several years to change the Front Office and introduce and grow analytics. Back in 2013, they didn’t have what they have now. Some things are always going to fall through the cracks in a transition. As for JD, he had been regressing and wasn’t able to fulfill what the Astros asked him to do in the off-season. He also became very sick for a number of weeks which didn’t help his cause. In his case, he was cut because Houston was bringing up 3 new highly-ranked outfielders including George Springer, who were defensively better than JD. JD only showed his real potential when he hired 2 hitting coaches after being cut who revamped his swing. Those 2 coaches are now the hitting coaches for the Dodgers. Thanks for keeping the conversation going! – Holly

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    • Apples and oranges, Spartan. With JV and other “veteran” pitchers, they were able to take a known ML quality performer and tweak what he is able to do, based on what he had done in the past. I don’t see how that can work as well with a virtual unknown commodity. Just saying.

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  11. I loved JV when he was a Tiger. Being a old school Tiger fan, It hurts worse the better he performs w the Astros. This trade summarizes the DUNCES we have running/owning this team!

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  12. The Tigers are just starting to dip their toes into the waters of analytics, and the best franchises have already had an entirely new revolution, in high tech player development. So now they are almost two complete cycles behind. It is like the Polish cavalry charging their horses into the German Panzers in 1939.

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  13. I was thinking of Jim Bunning as I began reading this post. At least Detroit received major leaguers in return (Don Demeter & Jack Hamilton). Justin will always be a Tiger in my mind, just like Jim Bunning is. The trio of “prospects” was, is, and will remain a terrible trade of historic portions.

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  14. The idea of JV wearing an Astros cap in the HOF really stings. “For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, ‘it might have been’.”

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  15. Excellent article again Holly, and as others have mentioned, points to further potential long-term problems for this organization. Since the teams top 5 prospects, and they are just that at this point, are at AA or A level, it will be a few years at least before they will be able to help at the major league level. Therefore, in order to improve this mess some mid level free agents will need to be signed, and with the way JV, Nick, McCann and others have been treated, what are the odds any FA has Detroit high on their list?

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  16. In isolation, JV’s career in Houston will be quite admirable, but it will not stack up to his career in Detroit. He was with Detroit for almost 14 years (won’t be able to get close to that in Houston) with a ROY award, two no-hitters, MVP, Cy Young, and was 25-5 in 2011. In the NL, there’s no DH, so pitching performance will be enhanced. He will definitely enter the Hall as a Tiger.

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  17. Beautiful post, Holly. The comments by this blog’s moderators and the intelligent responses of others who read this blog regularly are simply outstanding. I read Totally Tigers first every day and am rarely disappointed. As for JV, he’s just great. Throwing 95-97 mph fastballs to the last batter after having already thrown 115 pitches is just mind-boggling.

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  18. Glad to see JV get the no hitter but once again AA got the short end of the trade. didn’t get the number one pick in the Astro’s system and instead got a frequently injured pitcher and two guys who can’t hit

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  19. I am a lifelong Tigers fan, but how the Tigers traded JV was purely a salary cut. Then the Tigers do not even promote their former players to gain entrance to the HOF. Lou Whitaker should have went into the HOF with Alan Trammell. So if, JV goes into the HOF as an Astro that would be fine since the Tigers would probably not work to get him into the HOF.

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